According to the CDC, from 2006-2010 there were approximately 88,000 alcohol-related deaths annually, there are approximately 480,000 tobacco-related deaths annually and approximately 32,850 vehicular deaths annually, while there are approximately 40,000 firearms-related deaths annually, just over 66% of which are suicides, or just over 6.7% total fatalities when compared to vehicles, alcohol and tobacco.

Why isn’t the left concerned about vehicles, drinking and smoking? We hear cries of outrage about the NRA and the gun lobby, could it be that the automotive, alcohol and tobacco lobbies carry a lot of weight with the left and are left alone?

Jeff Moyer

Mathias, W.Va.

(25) comments

Driller

Bishopsboy Nothing wrong with what your cheerleading buddies say, it is just so boring!!!

LVW

Alcohol and tobacco-caused deaths are self-inflicted, with the exception of drunk drivers killing someone else, and penalties have increased for those over the decades accordingly. I don't know of anyone who is "okay" with vehicle deaths, and public works departments are always trying to reduce those, given the constraint that many drivers are idiots. Gun-related deaths, by contrast, are rarely self-inflicted, and basically nothing effective is ever done to reduce them. "Thoughts and prayers" don't seem to be cutting it.

Sane Man

"Gun-related deaths, by contrast, are rarely self-inflicted." Appears you have no idea what you are talking about if the quote by Mr. Moyer, "just over 66% of which are suicides," is correct.

LVW

Sane Man: I stand corrected. From the Pew Research Center:



What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?



Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).

DANT

It appears sane man has understanding issues since Jeff's comment is spot on....most firearms deaths are self inflicted including suicide and accidental! I'm not sure what percentage of auto accidents are self inflicted or for that matter how many alcohol related deaths are self inflicted, but I doubt very many!

LVW

Dant: It appears you have understanding issues too if you are blaming Sane Man for correcting me.

Sane Man

I shared a quote from LVW and a quote from Mr. Moyer. The two quotes were conflicting. LVW stated, "I stand corrected," in response to my post. Read it again and maybe you will understand it too. Regarding my post, the "understanding issue" is on your behalf. I questioned the a statement from LVW, not Mr. Moyer. Get it? [wink]

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, gun control/restrictions don’t cut the mustard either. The real solution to the problem of violence, in general, and gun violence, in particular, is to get Big Government out of people’s lives and to put moral absolutes back into them. Children need moral instruction in dealing with anger and disappointment in life in ways that do not involve violence. They need to develop a strong sense of community and civic responsibility. Judaism and Christianity do all these things and should become an integral part of our all our private and public lives. Showing proper adherence to these two religions will make most gun violence go away for good without ever infringing upon anyone’s Second Amendment rights. It's a win-win for all.

LVW

Bb: I agree that a strong sense of community and civic responsibility, etc., would help turn back the clock on this nuttiness. I disagree that Judaism and Christianity are the only paths that lead to that goal.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, I haven't seen any other paths that adequately address fundamental human selfishness resulting in the nuttiness. i.e., Big Gov't, secular humanism, or Islam all fail going out the gate.

DANT

I stand corrected.....I misread Sane Mans comment!

Chief601

"Gun-related deaths, by contrast, are rarely self-inflicted, and basically nothing effective is ever done to reduce them."



So the 66% of gun death suicides are not self inflicted? What is your definition of suicide? And, of course, there is the whole Constitution issue of being armed to protect the citizens from the government thing. You know, having had to fight the king and all. Maybe a refresher class in why the Constitution was written might help leftists. I guess for most of you it wouldn't be a refresher class as most of you don't know why it was written that way.

LVW

Chief: Read the thread before you write. I admitted above that I had it wrong; try it sometime.

Chief601

I like to answer stupidity as quickly as possible.

Chief601

Care to answer the Constitution points?

prodigalson

Great observation Jeff. I believe that the answer to your question is very simple. The left is not at all concerned about gun related deaths any more than they are concerned about deaths caused by any other means. What they are concerned about is controlling the lives of the masses, and they know that they will never be able to do that as long as the citizenry is armed. As with "global warming", "climate change", "climate disruption", their insistence on criminalizing the use of plastic drinking straws, their push to do away with meat consumption, etc., none of the things that they claim to care about are the real issue. Liberals simply use those issues to make normal people feel guilty about living their lives in a normal way so that they can be conned into relinquishing their freedoms to an all powerful central government controlled by liberals.

LVW

Rave on!

prodigalson

Thank you so much for your post LVW. As always, it was thoughtful, and constructive. hehehehehe

LVW

prod: Well, your characterization of liberals is way off base, and more than a little nutty. It makes me wonder whether you actually know any liberals.

prodigalson

Well LVW, at one time, I knew some liberals, but then, I decided to stop spending time on the EMU campus, and so I haven’t spoken to any liberals for quite some time. It is my understanding, though, that they are quite depressed right now.

DANT

prodigalson.....telling it like it is....great reply!

prodigalson

Thank you Dant. I really appreciate it.

Driller

Dant and prodigalson Keep patting each other on the back. Great cheerleading!!! I am impressed!!

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, what exactly wrong is what either of them said? Seems like a fair and accurate characterization of liberals to me.

prodigalson

Careful there Mufalme Bishop, my royal brother. If we're too hard on Driller, he may be "triggered" and need counseling, and I'm not sure that Harvey has any openings today.

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