Harry Atwood talks at length about sore losers ("Something Worse Than A Sore Loser," Dec. 24). Apparently he doesn't remember Maxine Waters screeching "impeach 45" to all who would listen and imploring her minions to follow Trump supporters and harass them, or Nancy Pelosi tearing up her copy of the State of the Union address on national TV, or the Adam Schiff/Gerald Nadler impeachment circus.

One must wonder, what would Mr. Atwood and the other never Trumpers be saying today if Biden had "lost" in a questionable fashion as we saw in this election? The country would probably be in flames and the left would again call it a peaceful protest. Hypocrisy seems to be the stock in trade of the liberal left.

Jeff Moyer

Mathias, W.Va.

(26) comments

hbdansby

Also from "Caste:" The right kind of leader can inspire a symbiotic connection that supplants logic. The susceptible group sees itself in the narcissistic leader, becomes one with the leader, sees his fortunes and his fate as their own. “The greater the leader,” Fromm wrote, “the greater the follower….The narcissism of the leader who is convinced of his greatness, and who has no doubts, is precisely what attracts the narcissism of those who submit to him.”

sbsheridan

Hypothesizing what might be happening today if November's election had turned out differently does not prove anything about the actual result of that election. "What ifs" and "might have beens" are not a strong basis for any argument.

Driller

Unhinged Want to be Comrade Bill, If what you claim is true, why has Lou Dobbs, Jeanine Pirro and several of FOX"S big conspiracy theorists, decided to retract their talking points about the Dominion machines after they faced lawsuits? Explain to me how Con Don knew if he lost the election, the election would be rigged. Keep going with the grift, Con Don is laughing all the way to the bank.

billnonymous

Hillary Clinton: Joe Biden should NEVER concede!

Liberals: You're right! He should not! Yay! Applause! Cheers! Yes!

Trump: I'm not conceding

Liberals: You're wrong! Boo! Hiss! No!

Liberal Governors: Stay home! Don't gather with family!

The same Liberal Governors: I'm going on a plane to visit my family!

Nancy Pelosi: Salons must remain closed!

Nancy Pelosi: Open your salon just for me!

Warren, Sanders, Obama, Biden: The rich are too rich!!

Warren, Sanders, Obama, Biden: We all became multi-millionaires while working in government. Stay off my ten million dollar beachfront mansion!!

Democrat politicans before: tear Trump down!! Attack, impeach, harass, destroy, frame, make up bull manure, destroy, destroy, destroy!!!!

Democrat politicans now: We need to heal, we must come together, it's time to unite!

Obama: A person can have too much

Obama: I'm now worth over $100,000,000 through crooked book deals I set up while president.

Democrat Politicans: Walls are dumb and do not work

Democrat Politicans: My house is behind a wall that surrounds my entire property

If hypocrite liberals didn't have double standards, they would have NO standards. If you asked a liberal what should happen to a politician who was caught laundering money, they would not be able to answer you until they knew the political party of the accused. Shameless hypocrites to their vile, empty cores.

LVW

You mean like when Al Gore didn't concede after the Supreme Court handed the presidency to Dubya Bush? Oh wait, no, he did concede. Then you must mean after Hillary Clinton didn't concede to The Donald in 2016? Oh wait, no, she conceded on the day after the election. In fact, everyone in your lifetime who lost a presidential election conceded, often with a lot of class, except ... Donald J Trump, who has slipped into conspiratorial madness while metaphorically breaking furniture on his way out the door in one of his petulant frenzies. Talk about having a vile, empty core!

freeride

LVW, why would he concede before Jan. 20th? With mounting substantial evidence that there were irregularities in every swing state shouldn't he explore every avenue to insure the election was truly fair? Would you concede if you were in his position, after seeing evidence (caught on video) and hearing experts explain how there were more votes cast in some states than there were registered voters?

LVW

LOL @ "substantial evidence." What's his batting average on court appeals, like 0.016?

Driller

Freeride , As I have told Prod and the cheerleaders quit your WHINING and give some evidence of all these irregularities. Where is your evidence? Where is Con Don's lawyers evidence? There is none. Give us evidence that will change anything, or shut your mouth. You and the cheerleaders are looking like Con Don, a big crybaby with no evidence of what you and him are claiming. Why has Con Don and his lawyers lost over 60 court cases, even in front of Republican appointed judges and even SCOTUS didn't take any of the silliness up. When do you want him to concede, first it was in Dec. when the Electoral College certified the election, now it's in Jan 6. It doesn't matter if Con Don concedes or not, he will LEAVE Washington on Jan. 20, 2021. If your tape was evidence, why haven't Borat Rudy and Con Don's lawyers not pushing the tape to the courts? Maybe because it was debunked, like the tractor and trailer driver, that hauled 180,000 votes out of state?

billnonymous

weak sauce provider, did you not see Jovan Pulitzer's testimony yesterday? A few weeks ago, the Dominion CEO testified that their machines were not connected to the Internet and Pulitzer literally hacked into a Dominion machine *while* giving his testimony. "At this very moment at a polling location in the county, not only do we have access through the devices to the poll pad–the system, but WE ARE IN.” Showing how to hack the machine and alter results. Is that not evidence the machines are connected when they shouldn't be and hackable when they shouldn't be? Of course it is. He destroyed every argument about the safety of Dominion machines. Democrats will continue to shove their heads up their own patoots and proclaim they saw nothing. Name another time in American history when not 1, but FIVE states simultaneously shut down their voting systems. Yet five states do it at once, with Trump in the lead in all 5 states and when they resume counting, Biden is in the lead in all five states. You have to be a special level of moron to not think that was legitimate. But when this happens in 2024 and it takes out the Democrat candidate, remember how liegitmate you found it to be in 2020. Democrats will continue to reap what they have sown. Just ask Harry Reid.

Driller

Unhinged want to be Comrade Bill, I know you have been off this post for a good while, I also know you have missed a lot of Cheese to go with your WHINE! Eat Up!

hbdansby

One important flaw of border walls is the lack of wildlife corridors. We should decide if we are serious about controlling our borders and if we are, find a way to do it properly. My working hypotheses would include 1. Two parallel strips of underground detection separated by, say, 100 yards, coupled with AI algorithms to distinguish between human and animals, 2. Response vehicles and/or drones to apprehend violators, 3. Penalties on employers who hire illegals, 3. Requirements on employers to verify thru a central database whether legal or not, 4. Verification thru a central database at any juncture with law enforcement or other official agencies that the individual is legal, similar to checking whether a drivers license is suspended, 5. Admission of immigration applicants and refugees in accordance with our responsbility as a member of the international community, 5. Erection of relatively simple chain length fences with razor wire, but with wildlife corridors.

hbdansby

It is my impression that democratic leaders are far more ethical than today's republican. Again, climate change is a great test. Republicans don't have the cahonas to face up to this elaborate threat. Another is the pandemic--way too much trouble to confront.

moondoggie1951

Democrats are about as ethical and Al Capone

Donald

Unfortunately, you are right Mr. Moyer. When politically motivated lawlessness is allowed to go unpunished those responsible for failing to maintaining law and order become enablers of even greater lawlessness. We have been seeing it happen for several years now in any number of cities from Baltimore to Portland. The message received by Marxist hate groups such as BLM-O, ANTIFA and those who are just common criminals is that violence works. Depending on what takes place over the next few weeks we may again see those flames, followed by a resolute extinguishing of those flames. Time will tell.

hbdansby

David A. Walsh

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/how-the-right-wing-convinces-itself-that-liberals-are-evil/

How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil

Since the 1950s, the conservative movement has justified bad behavior—including supporting Donald Trump—by persuading itself that the left is worse.

This belief in a broad liberal conspiracy is standard in the highest echelons of the conservative establishment and right-wing media. The Russia investigation is dismissed, from the president on down, as a politicized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March. ... What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.

Donald

Why, this sounds like a “vast right wing conspiracy”, Mr. dansby! [beam]

hbdansby

Take it for what it is worth. It is part of his PhD thesis.

bishopsboy

Dearest hbd, you're simply being contrary and silly at the same time. You're either siding with God or Satan - sadly, most liberals side with Satan. I wish it were not so.

prodigalson

Liberals are evil. That's a documented fact.

hbdansby

This article explains why you think that liberals are evil.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/how-the-right-wing-convinces-itself-that-liberals-are-evil/

How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil

bishopsboy

Dearest hbd, I agree with Prince Prodigal, liberals are evil and not for the long winded reasons put forward by Walsh. We have a written standard (the Bible) and real life examples (Jesus Christ and Satan) to define good and evil. Liberals are evil because they reject both the standard and the example of goodness to adopt the ways of Satan, the ultimate evil.

hbdansby

Bishopsboy, why not propose that we substitute the dogma of Christianity for our federal, state and local law?

bishopsboy

Dearest hbd, what are you talking about??? You referenced an article written by Walsh making incorrect statements as to why conservatives believe liberals are evil - I simply pointed out Walsh is wrong and why.

If you haven't noticed, hbd, much of Christian "dogma" is already enshrined in our federal, state, and local laws and always will be.

hbdansby

Bishopsboy, there is no need to put the word "dogma" in quotes, as my use of it is perfectly appropriate. Any negative connotation would be in the mind of the reader. Second, one could just as easily say that secular laws and customs have been enshrined into Christian scripture. Third, Christian dogma has been enshrined into the civil code only to the extent it has universal application, that is, that it has passed a secular test. Next, if you want to refute the Walsh article, take it paragraph by paragraph and do us that service. I suspect the Walsh article strips contemporary republicanism naked,

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hbdansby

One of the most impressive traits of today's republican is his amazing energy level. The energy and enthusiasm with which they file lawsuits and take votes to repeal this or that is off the charts.

hbdansby

Liberals are definitely not evil, so we then turn to the question of whether today's American conservative is evil. I would say that the wrongheadedness of the citizen who identifies as conservative breaks down as follows: ignorance, resentment of elites due to being left behind, selfishness, and subject to bigotry in the basket of deplorables. As to the republican politician, most of them simply exploit the foregoing among the citizenry, so, yeah, most of them could be classified as evil or at least irretrievably dishonest.

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