The U.S. Supreme Court Second amendment decision in HELLER VS D.C., 2004, meant that a citizen has a right to keep and bear arms, and, the government may regulate. Gun owners oppose regulation. “My family has owned and used guns for hunting, recreation and protection for generations without regulation.” But, there are 115 million gun owners in the U.S. and 220 million non-gun owners. Among the 115 million, there are unreliable gun owners (excluding criminals) undetected before they turn to gun violence. The reliable gun owner should acknowledge that the government has a nationwide gun violence problem, and, that the non-gun owner cannot tell who, among gun owners, is reliable. Regulation is needed.

Reference: 1. GUNFIGHT: The Battle Over The Right To Bear Arms In America

Adam Winkler, W.W. Norton & Company Ltd, New York 2011 (One of 12 MRLIB books on gun violence)

Erik Lerche Harrisonburg

(29) comments

JS

Sbsheridan:. People have talked about these issues for years. What else do you want to call it a "honest conversation"?

DANT

OK Erik....tell us what reliable gun regulation looks like! Tell us how they will stop criminals and unforeseen criminals.

sbsheridan

How do you stop traffic accidents? In part, through education, training, rules, and enforcement. Wouldn't the same apply to guns?

DeftCurmudgeon

Have our traffic laws stopped all accidents yet ?

Do those traffic laws infringe on a Constitutionally guarded right ?

Do those traffic laws hinder my ability to defend my family or myself ?

LVW

Traffic laws have prevented a whole load of accidents. I've got nothing for the other two questions.

DANT

40,000 people were killed in auto accidents and 4.5 million were seriously injured in 2018. It doesn't seem that accidents have been reduced in any significant way and enforcement of traffic laws are mostly a joke. There is no way for law enforcement to keep up with the millions of drivers and autos on our highways every day! Gun laws will not stop mass murders and in fact may increase the fatalities when one occur! They will not stop the overall gun deaths (65%) of suicides, nor homicides. They will only put more law abiding citizens at risk of being killed by a gun wielding mentally unstable criminal or gangsters! Where is common sense amongst the gun grabbers?

LVW

Dant: Are you trying to tell me that no more than 40,000 would have been killed if there were no traffic laws? C'mon man.

billnonymous

The problem I acknowledge is that the liberals in this country have a laser like focus on passing laws that the criminal has no intention of abiding by, like "gun free" zones. Would a liberal put up a “no predators allowed” sign in a field of sheep and expect the sheep to remain safe? Gun owners do not possess some sort of special skill that allows us to see who among us is “reliable” either. But we are in a position where we can legally protect ourselves and you, Erik, and other liberals who detest gun owners until they find themselves in a position where seconds count and the police are minutes away.

mattnamyj

A "reliable" gun owner knows the he or she is not the problem, it's the criminals. A "reliable" gun owner also knows neo-liberal extremists like to use "friendly" words to try to shame them into submission. These neo-liberal extremists should point their attention to crime and criminals and leave law abiding citizens alone.

sbsheridan

How do you identify criminals? One way is to establish rules that any reasonable, law-abiding citizen would comply with, such as registration, training requirements, equipment standards. Potential criminals are much more likely to break these rules, thus self-identifying those to be watched more closely. Makes sense to me.

Whalebroc

SBS, You make it sound so smooth and easy. We all know it depends on who is setting this straw man theory of yours. “Reasonable, law abiding”....haha.

And when the enforcement of laws that are not this way, are you okay with searches, seizures, arrests, prison time etc....for these “non-reasonable” citizens?

Aren’t there enough people in prison, that shouldn’t be there already?

bishopsboy

How do you identify criminals? Easy. He’s the one holding the scalpel in one hand and the dismembered baby in the other at the local Planned Parenthood abortion mill.

prodigalson

Amen to that bishop.

sbsheridan

There is no such thing as a "Planned Parenthood abortion mill" and you know it. I could easily conjure up images about gun owners that are just as horrifying. But Ii don't do that, because they would be about as representative of the truth as the image you give. You say that guns are OK because it's in the Constitution, and abortions are wrong because it's in some cherry-picked verses from the Bible and you assume that life begins at conception. These issues are not going to be resolved until an honest conversation takes place. Your overblown, faith-based, self-serving rhetoric just makes such a conversation unlikely.

billnonymous

Sure, Mother Superior, and McDonalds isn't a hamburger mill either, right? You're funny! You don't go into a Planned Parenthood to plan for parenthood, do you? You go into a Planned Parenthood to have the human life inside of you intentionally killed. Enlighten us, when does life begin in your opinion? Surely you have the answer since you don't seem to have a problem mouthing off to others about what they assume. Let's hear your answer. 850,000+ American human lives terminated every year, no trial, no jury, just an executioner for the crime of having an "easy" woman for a mother, a mother whose being 'pro-choice' means choosing whether or not to engage in pro-creational activities and not choosing to murder the results of the activity.

sbsheridan

Responding to Billy's post of 1/17 11:23 am -- Planned Parenthood offers many services in addition to abortion: general health care, male- and female-specific health care, STD testing and treatment, HIV testing, among them. My belief of when life begins is personal; I do not care to share it with others or to impose it on others. As for "having an 'easy' woman for a mother" -- that's outrageous. Who are you to judge?

billnonymous

sheridan, that is a pathetic excuse and I feel badly for you if you actually accept what you write. McDonalds offers french fries, sodas and ice cream too, but we all know why McDonalds is there. You're not kidding anyone with that claim. Your complete cop-out on the when life begins is equally pathetic. Once again, you'll run your mouth about what others might believe, but when asked, suddenly that mouth doesn't run. Whines about needing an honest conversation, then won't have one. Typical you.

bishopsboy

Dearest Susan, modern science has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that a new human life begins at the moment of conception and that all major organs and bodily systems are functioning at the time Planned Parenthood murders the baby and collects the blood money for its “reproductive services”. PP is indeed very efficient at killing people (332,576 in 2018) and make a handsome profit in doing so and from selling their body parts. Believe what you wish and belittle my faith all you want, you’re simply wrong.

bishopsboy

There is no greater or deadlier evil in American society than Planned Parenthood’s abortion mills. Liberals should focus their restriction and control efforts there instead of on law abiding gun owners if they truly (I don’t believe they do) want to reduce violence in society.

bishopsboy

Billy, thank you for all your rational and spot on responses to Susan’s overly emotional and ludicrous comments.

LVW

Abortion and guns: favorite topics of wingnuts.

sbsheridan

Response to Bill and Bishop's comment of 1/18: I have never condemned what others believe. I have merely pointed out, as you just stated, that these are beliefs, not facts. BB's claim that modern scientists have determined the exact moment at which life begins is not supported by facts. The story of Planned Parenthood selling body parts was also a lie. No third party would judge my comments as emotional. Except for the time someone referred to my daughter as lucky I didn't decide to kill her by ripping her out of my womb, I think I have been fairly dispassionate. But why do I even try? You cling to your beliefs, and I will cling to mine. I am not expressing pity or disdain -- just the situation we are in. End of conversation for me.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, if you want to group me in with Jesus and the Founding Fathers as wingnuts, it’s an honor I’ll wear with pride!

bishopsboy

Dearest Susan, it’s indeed interesting that you call me liar and then walk away from the discussion. For the record, the vast majority (96%) of biologists claim human life begins at the moment of conception - no lie here. StemExpress and Advanced Bioscience Resources partnered with Planned Parenthood to purchase aborted baby body parts that they then sold for thousands of dollars - no lie here. (Google it yourself if you don’t believe me.). Seek the Truth, dearest Susan, it’ll cure your delusions and set you free....

LVW

Bb: Your claim about a scientific consensus regarding when "life" begins is somewhere between misleading and false. I found a good article on this topic in, of all places, Wired: Why Science Can't Say When a Baby's Life Begins.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, poll your biologist professor colleagues there at your fine ivory tower tomorrow and virtually all of them will agree with me that a new human life (or any mammal's life) begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg - that's science and there's nothing false or misleading there.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, I have some questions for you based on the link in your post above. (I'm not being my normal snarky self this time - I'm just interested in what your thoughts are.) Is a severely retarded child a human being? Does he lack "personhood" since his brain hasn't developed sophisticated thought processes and has the equivalent experiences and IQ of a puppy instead? Would it be wrong to euthanize "people" like this if they really aren't "human"? Where do you draw the line on who is "human" and who is not?

Programmer

Bishopsboy, thank you for your posts. God bless you brother.

bishopsboy

Programmer, you are most welcome. I don't always follow Jesus' teachings and example as well as I should, but I do care about the innocent and defenseless.

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