As I write this letter, a large number of people are gathering for an indoor rally for President Donald Trump in Henderson, Nevada. This rally is violating Nevada’s restriction on gatherings of 50 or more people. Very few masks are being worn and social distancing is not being observed.

At the same time, there are so many health care workers who are working valiantly in hospitals to save the lives of people who have been infected with the virus by coming into contact with people who are carriers.

In a large indoor crowd like this one, we can expect large numbers of attenders to infect others who will then crowd the hospitals and put a heavy burden on overworked hospital staff. This will also add to our unbelievable number of deaths in our country.

When will our current leaders and all citizens listen to our health experts? This makes me sad!

Ruby Lehman

Harrisonburg

(108) comments

Diana

Driller..[thumbup][thumbup]

bishopsboy

Dearest Draft Dodger, your sweetie must have enjoyed the bottle of Boone’s Farm you left her. [wink]

Diana

hey Driller...you notice haters gonna hate???[beam][beam]

DeftCurmudgeon

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A county in North Carolina incorrectly told nearly 7,000 residents they had tested positive for the coronavirus due what officials say was a technical glitch."

I'll just leave this here...

billnonymous

And there is no way on God's green earth those 7,000 are coming off of the CDC's "tested positive" count either.

billnonymous

Deft, here is another one for the liberals who keep touting the high infection/death counts, as completely phony as they are.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/

"Overall about one in thirteen deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate did not have the disease as the underlying cause of death, however, this proportion has risen substantially to nearly a third over the last eight weeks."

"Word salad" to the brainwashed liberals, medical fraud to everyone else.

Diana

billy... That link shows nothing from the United States, it's showing English and Scottish stats..."Word Salad"..ummm.. yes...BTW..who changed the language on the CDC website last week as to who should get a Covid-19 test?

Diana

billy, you still dont know what you're talking about..You just come out with word salad that you think makes you right about everything..Wrong

billnonymous

this is the best you have, just words, and zero proof, zero anything to back up your claims, just your words? as usual, I'm just getting word garbage from you.

Diana

billy...and you use false information as truth. Your bs is easy to see through..As usual...bleat bleat bleat

billnonymous

Diana, your thoughts on this "false information":

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/

Your thoughts on a mayor and his staff caught deliberately hiding low Covid totals from their own citizens because they're trying to convince them otherwise? You know, creating a "false narrative"? A 'bs' narrative if you will.

https://fox17.com/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

Go ahead and call these two articles "false information". Are they 'bs'ing?? We sure know Nashville's admin was full of "bs". The very best you have is nothing but the hot air you constantly bring to the table. What else do you have? Nothing. Will you ever have anything else? I doubt it. All you know how to do is repeat what other liberals in here say first. When have you provided an original thought, seriously? Read the links and then tell me all about "false information as truth!"

Driller

Diana, one word sums up these Russian Trolls. QANON! You should know Comrade Bill knows more about everything than any one in the World.If you don't think so, just ask him. I still wonder why he is still in Harrisonburg and not in D.C. helping his orange faced liar.

LVW

Good Lord, the hits just keep on coming. Today, it was announced that Michael Caputo (spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services and Trump butt-kisser) is taking a 60-day leave of absence after going full "deep state" berserk on social media, claiming government scientists are engaging in sedition! He is, of course, going to "to focus on his health and the well-being of his family"... its amazing how everyone who is s**t-canned suddenly decides it's time to focus on their family. This is the kind of lunatic that orbits around the Trump circus.

LVW

As I suspected, my previous "favorite Trump story of the day" has already been eclipsed by another: For the first time in its 175-year history, Scientific American has endorsed a presidential candidate, and it ain't The Donald. "The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science."

billnonymous

LVW, this is a thread about President Donald J Trump's rally, why are you going off topic? Just because another entity came out against President Donald J Trump and you can't contain your glee another second??

Scientific American is owned by Macmillan Press, which is owned by Holtzbrinck Publishing Group, which is owned by Georg von Holtzbrinck. His loves to use his little publishing empire to pay off liberal TDS suffering authors to write books like “Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House” “Disloyal” by Michael Cohen, and “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” among other fictional slime jobs. He knows liberals will happily pay hand over fist to read anything anti-Trump, but it’s no surprise they’ve ordered one of their little rags to slime President Donald J Trump as the Scientific American has so often done over the last 3.5 years. I get that you don’t understand the depth involved here and that it’s enough for you to take glee that another entity has come out against President Donald J Trump, you're a simple man like that, don't you ever change, brother!

LVW

In the blue corner, we have Scientific American, an esteemed magazine that publishes articles by real scientists about real science, a publication that has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. In the red corner, we have whataboutbilly, whose partisan word salads are chocked full of fake news, fake science, and blather. Hmmm ... who to pick?

newshound

Trump .... not those eggheads who are impressed only by themselves.

billnonymous

Yes, by all means choose the high horsed, bought and paid for, agenda driven scientists who other scientists aren't dare allowed to question! They never had an opinion on presidents until they were TOLD that they DO. Understand? Scientific American did not do this of their own free will, they were TOLD to do it by their bosses, just like all good, corrupt, bought and paid for scientists. They happily do what they are told, prove what they are told to prove, report what they're told to report, and in excahnge for that, they get to keep their jobs. Kind of like you and your job, huh? You do what you're told and you get to keep your job. Don't do what you're told and out the door you go. So you keep right on doing what you're told, just like the charlatans at Scientific American. As usual, they, and you, aren't kidding anyone, not even yourselves.

DeftCurmudgeon

Never Trumpers angry that the President ain't buying their fake science.

sbsheridan

It's not fake science. It's not fake news. It's Trump and his followers putting their fingers in their ears when they don't like what's being said.

DeftCurmudgeon

Thanks, but that rag is neither scientific or American so... meh

billnonymous

No, it's not President Donald J Trump nor his followers that put their fingers in their ears when they don't like what is being said. That's what the bozos at Scientific American, and groups like the IPCC, (and people like you) do whenever their work is peer reviewed and found to be erroneous, fraudulent, missing data, etc, etc. You know, the same fools who when you ask to see their data, they tell you it accidentally fell into the shredder or the hard drive it was on crashed and is now unreadable.

LVW

Whataboutbilly: Actually, it is Trump's followers who put their fingers in their ears when they don't like what's being said, and that is exactly the point. You clearly don't understand peer review (how many scientific papers have you published, exactly?) since you equate a peer-reviewed opinion with the opinion of some fringe wingnut. But hey, ignorance never stopped you from spewing word salads before, so why stop now?

billnonymous

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

LVW, here is the Atlantic (TDS suffering outlet) calling out the CDC for their manipulations, the ones you blindly accept SOLELY because it fits your narrative. That's what TDS does to an already weak and easily manipulated mind like yours.

billnonymous

LVW and SHERIDAN and any other of the "no questioning of scientists" and "it's not fake science" bunch, why don't you all peruse some of these articles, many written by scientists (and therefore you cannot question them because you find fault with me for daring to question a scientist, how dare I! how dare you!) they all go on to explain why medical research and scientific research in general is a mostly of bunch of agenda driven horse manure. read on, maybe you'll learn something, but given the fact that your TDS blinders are on, I would highly doubt it. You'll just close your eyes, fingers in the ears, and pretend you never saw any of it, even the ones from Trump hating publications like Vox, Forbes, and The Atlantic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-beware...ost-wrong.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...cience/308269/

https://healthland.time.com/2010/10/...arch-is-wrong/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...8319581000112X

https://link.springer.com/article/10...192-017-3389-1

https://www.newscientist.com/article...robably-wrong/

https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...news-are-wrong

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2014/01/31...ill-a-scandal/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybo.../#1764fbcc4003

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-and-break-law

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/08/...t-peer-review/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02241-z

https://www.upf.edu/pcstacademy/_doc..._ransohoff.pdf

If you need more, I'll be happy to provide it.

billnonymous

Deft you are correct, Scientific American is owned by a German company that is owned by a German man. It should be called Scientific German, if they were honest.

LVW

Billyboy: Did you actually read the article (which is from last May)? Because if the CDC was "manipulating" the numbers by combining viral and antibody test results, they were doing so to drive the positive numbers down, as Jha said such a mixup would do, which fits your narrative. (Did they teach reading comprehension at your fancy boarding school?) Anyway, it was a dumb@ss thing for them to do, and fortunately some states kept their test results separate all along.

LVW

Poorbilly: The first few of your list of links are bad, and I suspect the rest are too. So either you listed a bunch of cr@p, or you don't know how to cut and paste. Sad either way.

billnonymous

my narrative, bench warmer, is that the CDC is manipulating numbers, that's what I said they were doing and that's what the article I posted proved.

bishopsboy

Spot on!

bishopsboy

LVW, the National Enquirer's story about Biden's UFO abduction and rescue by Bigfoot is more interesting and just as newsworthy.

prodigalson

LOL. Bishopsboy 1, LVW 0.

bishopsboy

Prince Prodigal, I went online and actually read the endorsement. It sounds like some drivel Driller would have posted here - complete nonsense by a left-wingnut extremist with the cognitive abilities of a demented old man hiding in a Delaware basement.

sbsheridan

Hey folks, this isn't a game. It isn't a contest that observers can score. And a story about Biden being abducted by aliens may be luridly entertaining to people who like that stuff, but it is certainly NOT newsworthy, in the sense that is contains no information on which decisions should be made. Go ahead and play around with data, disparage scientists and other intelligent people, cite endless magazine articles that you may or may not have glanced over. This is our future, and I think that greater care should be taken in deciding what information is important for our future. Think about all that time that Bill has spent building his famous stock portfolio. I'll bet he listened to the advice of carefully chosen advisors. Why shouldn't we do the same in deciding how to deal with a lethal virus?

prodigalson

Thank you Mother Superior, for your admonishment. I'll go stand in the corner now.

bishopsboy

Psst....Susan, I made of the Biden UFO/Bigfoot story - it wasn't true, just intended for comic relief. Lighten up a little.

bishopsboy

oops, "made up", not "made of"

billnonymous

sheridan, my stock portfolio is not famous. however, it you bothered to buy some of the stocks whose names I've dropped in here (like Novavax back when Covid19 broke, when it was like $7 a share) how much might you have made if you bought it? it's at $118 right now. Secondly, I allowed an investment firmed called Sapere Wealth to manage one of my retirement accounts and over 8 years they lost 19%, then I fired them. Do you know what their minimal investment level is? Call them and ask, then post it here, you need to hear it for yourself.

newshound

So who did it endorse...Fauci?

DeftCurmudgeon

You know "Scientific American" is neither scientific or American anymore, right ?

bishopsboy

It's also not a peer-reviewed scientific journal so even though it has a prestigious and authoritative sounding name, it's little more than a nerd version of "People Magazine" or "Soap Opera Digest".

DANT

I think Ruby has a lot of wishful thinking going on. The beautiful thing about living in America is that we are free to make choices, we are free to dissect the information we take in and make our own decisions based on that information. We are not sheep who follow blindly what other sheep do ( at least most conservative thinkers aren't) or tell us. Since this China virus was purposefully unleashed on the world there have been as many EXPERT doctors saying the opposite of what other EXPERT doctors have said and the fake news has twisted both sides to confuse people even more. Here's some advice....you do you and what you think is best for you based on whatever info you choose to follow and let your neighbors and fellow Americans do the same. Ruby, your scare tactic scenario of hospitals being overwhelmed has never happened and isn't going too but you can only hope....right?

sbsheridan

Yes, we are free to make choices. But we should not feel free to disseminate false information, innuendo, and scare tactics. Of course the development of a response to a dangerous new disease is going to involve disagreements, but recommended treatments and weapons against contracting the disease eventually emerge. Fake treatments, such as those recommended by President Trump, disappear in the ether. By the way, there is no such thing as a "China" virus, there is no evidence it was purposefully unleashed on the world, and if Trump were an intelligent man who understood science and refrained from spreading false news, there would be little confusion. As for scare tactics ... many hospitals in New York City were definitely overwhelmed. It HAS happened. Do yourself a favor and become educated on these topics.

DANT

sbsheridan, wrong again as usual. Tell us which hospital was overwhelmed and during what month, week, or day....Ms. know it all. A woman virologist expert who worked in the Wuhan lab is now offering evidence the China virus was developed and distributed purposefully...but of course if Biden or Pelosi says it ain't true then it ain't true right?

Diana

DANT..you really need to get out of your bubble...Hospitals in several states have been overwhelmed with covid patients . Several hospitals in New York, Texas, Florida, California, and Arizona are among those that were overwhelmed and I'm sure there were many others. I remember you saying your wife was a doctor, so I'm sure she can attest to these facts. Thank goodness things have gotten better with treatment. AND I do have first hand knowledge of this. .Funny you believe this Chinese virologist,( and she probably knows what she's talking about) but you don't believe Dr Fauci ,Dr,Redfield or Dr Birx. .You would be wrong again, Im not led by Biden or Pelosi, unlike you who believes all of Trumps lies without question. .

sbsheridan

Is this a test? News media reported in May 2020 that Brookdale University Hospital Medical Center was over capacity. On March 28, one hospital received 850 new COVID-19 patients, up from the 525 they had received three days before. At the same time, one newspaper reported that only 15% of intensive care beds were currently available in the city. In April, patients were resisting admission to one hospital in NYC "out of fear of catching the deadly disease as medical facilities become severely overcrowded with corona virus patients. " By May, hospitals were using previously retired staff members and students who had been given medical degrees one semester early to meet staffing needs. Al Jazeera reported that 44,000 patients in one New York hospital had rendered the facility "crammed beyond capacity." That enough? You can easily find this information on the internet. I didn't cite the source of each story; I wanted to leave something for you to do.

billnonymous

Biden did say they choose "truth" over "fact" and his sheep are only too happy to follow along. Facts do not matter, regurgitate factless fake news is all they know. MS was told by the fake news media that there were overwhelmed hospitals and that's all the proof she needs. no checking for herself, no independent verifying using her own brain, just feed her lies and watch her repeat them endlessly.

newshound

Educated .... like you?

bishopsboy

Dearest Susan, there was no reason for the overwhelmed hospitals in NY. President Trump provided a hospital ship and another make shift hospital for China virus victims in NY but they were not used by Gov. Cuomo - probably because he didn't want to give the President a political win. Instead, the brilliant Governor decided to send China virus patients to nursing homes where it killed tens of thousands of New Yorkers. I guess Cuomo failed to grasp the science.

LVW

My favorite Trump story of the day (so far) is the Trump reelection ad that has a "support our troops" message, with an image of Soviet MiG-29's flying over some ground troops. Russian jets identified in Trump campaign ad calling for support for the troops. You can't make this stuff up.

DeftCurmudgeon

That's pretty funny, even better it's fuel for the "collusion" kooks.

LVW

DC'HO: Indeed, they will make a simple careless goof into something more. But it still cracks me up.

billnonymous

Are you sure it wasn’t when Biden said he was “a Democratic candidate running for US Senate”? Or when Biden said blacks lacked diversity? Or when he asked bi-racial Errol Barnett if he was taking cocaine and was a junkie? Or when Biden said if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black? Or how he said there was over 120 million dead from Covid? Or how he said he’s “never been able to overcome whatever the problem was”? Or that “all men and women are created by, the, go, uh, you know, the thing”? Or when he said he’s put 720 million women back to work? Or that poor kids are just as talented as white kids? Or that he loves kids playing with his leg hairs and jumping in his lap? Or asking New Hampshire resident what’s not to like about Vermont? Or how he calls his supporters lying dog faced pony soldiers? Or how he can’t even answer a scripted question with his scripted answer, that someone else wrote for him, until he has his handlers move the teleprompter in a position that he can read it? You’re more amused with a mistake that some Trump campaign aide made and not the mistakes your *actual candidate* made? That does not surprise me at all.

LVW

Whataboutbilly: Just give it a rest, will you?

billnonymous

I find it amusing how you can hypocritically look past the copious mental lapses of your actual candidate who, even you have to admit, is suffering from mental decline, while having a laser like focus on some unknown Trump campaign worker’s error. Your whataboutism comment is, as always, your pathetically weak excuse for ignoring your own hypocrisy and, as usual, it fools no one, not even yourself. You are consistent, if nothing else and, as we all know, there is nothing else. Maybe you should try giving your hypocrisy a rest.

LVW

Meanwhile, whataboutbilly's white noise machine continues to emit its incessant sound...

billnonymous

Yes, drowning out that weak, whiny voice of LVW, chirping from his seat at the end of the bench, wishing he had better material and realizing he just does not.

sbsheridan

If I wanted to waste time, I could probably find a whole lot of misstatements, mis-wordings, and "mental lapses" in your letters, too. But it's not worth the time. What IS worth the time is listening to Biden's consistency over time, his plans to deal with our economy (not just the stock market), climate change, the pandemic, and many more threats to our county using real words in good grammatical context and sounding like he understands what he's talking about. Also, his willingness to name competent people to important positions and to listen to expert advice. This is not hypocrisy ... this is the ability to filter out small issues and focus on what's truly important.

DANT

sbsheridan I'll bet you had to turn your back when you wrote that gibberish to keep from spewing your coffee out and falling down laughing.....Thats what happened to me when I read it....bwaahahahahaha!

billnonymous

MS, Biden has no consistency, he's said "I'll ban fracking", then "wait, no, not ban, I meant only new fracking, yeah, wait, that's not good enough? Well, then, hey, I never said I'd ban fracking, what are you on drugs, C'MON MAN!! What day is it?" Biden doesn't know what he said two minutes ago and the only thoughts he has are the ones other people have written down for him. He has put forth NOTHING on the pandemic. Tell me what the Biden/Harris plan is for the pandemic, since you seem to know. Tell me what the Biden/Harris plan is for climate change, they won't take questions on it, so how did you learn what their plan is? Tell me what the Biden/Harris plan for threats to our country is. I missed that one too. These two refuse to answer any question unless they have it in advance and someone has written down the answer for them. You seem to know what their plans are, so what are they?

billnonymous

It was NOT a rally, it was a peaceful protest, therefore it did NOT violate Nevada’s restrictions because you know, gathering and not wearing masks is perfectly acceptable in Nevada as long as you’re “protesting.”

Now, at this peaceful protest, did you notice that there were no riots? No losers throwing bottles filled with cement or urine at police, no insufferable twits attacking innocent Americans, no thugs looting anyone else’s business and then setting them on fire, no violent rioters shooting and killing black retired police officers who were trying to protect those businesses. It was just 14,000 Americans, of all races and colors, coming together as one to protest the abject, sponsored violence of the Democrats/liberals and to listen to some good old American Free Speech.

We’ve listened to the experts and we know they have been full of manure from the beginning. Nothing but guesses and hypotheticals that have failed to materialize.

No complaints from Ruby about the possible spread of a virus by thousands of rioters gathering en masse to produce mayhem, havoc and destruction, no, no, no. But gathering to support their candidate for president? NOW, Ruby’s got a problem. When will people like Ruby stop concerning herself with what other Americans freely choose to do with their God given right to be free? Not today, apparently, and not as long as we have President Donald J Trump I would believe.

sbsheridan

The lipstick you put on this pig does not change its advertisement of Trump as a man with no concern for the rule of law. And which subject did you fail in high school -- biology? chemistry? physics? Is that why you hate scientists so much?

billnonymous

I never failed a single class in my high school, which was a private, elite, all boys academy in NY that cost more than most colleges to attend and you had to have straight As and top 5% SAT scores to even get an interview. Where did you get the silly notion I hate scientists? You're confusing hate with the fact that many of them are agenda driven and produce reports that do not survive peer review. But if you like what's in them, you just nod your head in blind compliance because hey, they're scientists, right? Why do you do that instead of digging in and reseaching the researchers as I do? Are you lazy? Are you not bright enough to understand what they are reporting on? Are you busy doing crossword puzzles or quilting, maybe pulling weeds in your little garden? On the IPCC phonies alone I have over a dozen Word documents of IPCC reports that I've footnoted with all of the times what they've said was true, turned out to be proven false by other (gasp) scientists! How many do documents do you have where you've done something similar? Rhetorical question, no need to answer, it's zero, we all know it's zero. That's just the IPCC and their global warming bull manure. But you keep running your mouth about why I hate scientists, this is the best you have, clownish and pathetic, but certainly not unexpected, considering the source. Anything else?

sbsheridan

Oh Great One, I fear I have offended thee. I promise I will redouble my efforts to read more scientific articles instead of piddling my time away on Sudoku puzzles and knick-knack collecting. Obviously, you are much more devoted to learning than I ... a poorly educated midwestern farm girl. And I am shocked ... shocked ... at your charge that I spend too much time running my mouth. I thought that was your specialty.

billnonymous

sheridan, just admit you do not bother to use your own brain and own ability to draw your own conclusions. you are happiest when you're fed lies and told what to believe and then mindlessly spreading those lies. I get that, and you are much better off burying your head into your puzzles and concerning yourself with knick knacky things. I highly doubt you have the dedication required to think for yourself, that's why you find it so much easier to let others think for you.

Driller

Unhinged Want to be Comrade Sounds like you and Dr. Trump have very similar lifestyles as younger men. Were you a Draft Dodger like your hero Dr. Trump?

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, you know quite a lot about being a draft dodger don’t you? How was it living in Canada 50 years ago?

billnonymous

sheridan, don't forget to read some of the fourteen articles I posted from sources both "left" and "right" that all agree on one thing, most medical and scientific reporting is wrong and done by agenda driven "scientists" whose goal is not necessarily getting to the truth. I'm sure you'll find them eye opening, that is, if you bother to read even a single one. If not, keep the wool over your eyes, but tell me, is it really bliss like they say it is?

sbsheridan

OOOO. You posted FOURTEEN articles!?!?! I am soooo impressed. By the way, I'm allergic to wool.

Joe Cornwell

It was not a protest. It was a rally.

billnonymous

no it wasn't. didn't you listen to President Donald J Trump? He said it was a peaceful protest. Didn't you seen the signs the people were holding up that read "peaceful protester"? It was a peaceful protest featuring President Donald J Trump.

prodigalson

Good morning Driller. I'm glad to see that you are showing concern for the health of your fellow citizens. I'm confused though. Tell me, where was your concern when you, Diana, and thousands of your fellow Demokkkrats were running about the country, tearing down statues, looting, rioting, and vandalizing? I saw very few masks and very little social distancing with those "gatherings" as well. Why is it that people who attend Trump rallies are likely to spread the Chinese Flu, whereas Demokkkrat rioters and looters are not? it wouldn't have anything to do with politics, now would it?

billnonymous

That's because liberals truly believe that Covid19 has the ability to recognize a protest and then choose not to infect people at them. Amazing, right? (That liberals would think that.)

sbsheridan

And the increase in COVID-19 cases after Trump's rallies compared to the increase after the riots is ????

billnonymous

a bunch of horse manure, that's what it is.

prodigalson

Amazing indeed Billy.

Driller

Pretzelman jr. aka prod, I must still really be in your head, Again it is me that is writing another post. How many times have I written something under an assumed name? Last week I wrote an opinion piece under the name of George Will and published a book under the name of Bob Woodward. Don't forget while on my trips, I found a discarded mail box , now with two tapes in it. The one tape of Dr. Trump's sister telling how much she loved her brother and the second tape with Dr. Trump telling Woodward how deadly the "Virus" is and how easily it is spread. I could care less about Dr. Trump and his indoor rallies, as a matter of fact I hope he has one every day and millions of Republican'ts attend. The more the Merrier.!! If anyone is caught wearing a mask, they should be thrown out. It has nothing to do with politics, but it would be nice to have less than 35,000 new cases of the "Virus" every day so we might get a grip on the "Virus". Let me remind you 194,000+ Americans dead and unemployment at 8.8%. Call it politics or what you want, these are the numbers that I care about.

billnonymous

11,600 have died of Covid19, PER THE CDC. The rest died of other or natural causes with Covid19 (possibly) in their system. This is what the CDC has stated in their last report, not CNN's interpretation, not MSLSD's interpretation, the ACTUAL report. Get it right, clown. Now, I say possibly because the CDC does NOT require a corpse to be tested for the presence of Covid19, doctors are allowed to just assume it and are reimbursed more for assuming just that, too. Normal people call this medical fraud. TDS sufferers such as yourself think this is normal. But it wasn't normal when H1N1 was running around the country, was it? Why is that, you Putin Boot Licking simpleton? All new president, all new reporting rules, funny how that works, huh? Pathetic, crafted to fool people such as yourself and it works like a charm. As for the unemployment rate, as long as Democrats want to pay people more in unemployment benefits than they can make at a job, those people are not going to look for jobs, they're going to collect taxpayer money. However, now that President Donald J Trump has ended that blatant Democratic bribery, the rate has fallen from 15% to 8.4%, go figure huh? There is a reason why the number of lunatics rioters has plummeted, their benefits ran out and they have to go make double espresso lattes and ask people if they "want fries with that" instead of burning down businesses and assaulting citizens and police officers. You may pull the wool back down over your eyes now, Putin Boot Licker.

sbsheridan

More manipulated statistics.

Driller

Unhinged Want to be Comrade Bill, Keep on crying and moaning and name calling, as you always do. When you have no reasonable defense of Dr. Trump and his hacks, you start spouting fake numbers, but you forget to mention Dr. Trump's hacks are trying to change the language of the reports to suit Dr. Trump's lies. As I have told you before, why are you still in Harrisonburg, with your superior brain and inside information, why are you not in D.C. with your orange haired liar. How many Ebola cases were in the U.S. in 2014 during the Obama Administration? I don't think it was, using your own fake number of 11,600, it was under 10. I wonder why? Could it possibly be that Obama didn't downplay the Ebola "Virus". Listen to the tape that Dr. Trump said in his own words that he downplayed the "Virus", and lied that he didn't say he had downplayed the "Virus". You keep claiming the Democrats are paying more in unemployment than they make working, that boat has already sailed. You will be crying again, when the economy slows down as the extra government money runs out. Where is the greatest economy I will ever see in my life? Millions of people out of work, unable to pay their rent. being in bread lines that are miles long., and unemployment at 8.4%. What a great economy. Keep living in your bubble and act like the "Virus" is behind us. Your name calling and lying will not change the numbers. 194,000+ Americans dead and 8.4% unemployment. Imagine that. This is the greatest economy I will ever see in my lifetime. Thanks Dr. Trump!!

Diana

billy... you have no idea what you are talking about with the CDC numbers. I realize Michael Caputo is trying to change public information on the coronavirus and you are falling in line with him. When did you see a death certificate with covid listed on it that wasn't true? Again,, you are going on heresay as with most of what you say.

billnonymous

Mother superior, again, I am using reports THE CDC IS PUBLISHING. Nothing else. Are you saying the CDC is manipulating statistics? Because you're right, they are. As I said, they decided they needed a whole new set of rules on reporting than the ones they used during H1N1 and we all know why they needed new rules, well, maybe not you and the Putin Boot Licker, but everyone else does.

billnonymous

Diana, GO READ THE LAST CDC REPORT. Don't rely on anyone or anything else, just the report. I have it exactly right, using their numbers and my unbelievable ability to multiply two numbers together. Something most TDS sufferers have lost the ability to do apparently. As for the phony count, it's not hearsay, there are many documented cases of people complaining about their family members cause of death being listed as Covid when they never had it and were never tested for it. I get that you can't bring yourself to accept that there are thousands of instances where a dead person was NEVER TESTED for Covid but deemed to have died of Covid. The CDC THEMSELVES said NO TEST is required, are you aware of this? That is medical fraud. But to you that's perfectly legitimate, I get it.

billnonymous

Doofus Driller, as usual, won't address the question, just spews the same nonsense he always spews, and wonders why I call him a broken record. Calls me "wannabe comrade" then whines I call people names. I get that you're not that bright, Driller, but why you showcase it like you do is beyond me.

billnonymous

Diana, tell me, is a death certficate that lists Covid19 as the cause of death when the person whose name is on the certificate was NEVER tested for Covid, legitimate to you?

https://www.wcjb.com/2020/08/13/sc-womans-death-certificate-lists-covid-19-but-family-says-she-never-had-it/

https://www.whec.com/coronavirus/mother-was-never-tested-but-death-certificate-lists-covid-19/5737087/

There are MANY more stories just like those but you go ahead and keep your head buried! We all know you TDS sufferers do NOT care about how the total is calculated as long as it results in high numbers that you can use to whine about President Donald J Trump. That's all this is about. It is NOT about the truth, it is NOT about getting things right, it's about painting a FALSE narrative that produces phony numbers that you want, and you are perfectly fine with it. You accept the lies, you believe the lies. Even when the proof indicates otherwise, you simply cover your eyes and say, I still don't care! That's what TDS has done to you, sad, but true.

billnonymous

Diana and sheridan, who is manipulating statistics? Remember, this is in the Atlantic, a publication that hates President Donald J Trump more than you two TDS sufferers do, times 10. Massive and INTENTIONAL manipulation by the crooked CDC.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

Neal Frankel

I'm wondering if you, any family members or friends have had a chronic health condition that was being successfully managed medically. A condition like high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, COPD or cancer. If your answer is yes and you or that other person contracts Covid 19 and unfortunately dies would you say cause of death is the managed chronic disease or Covid 19?

prodigalson

Good morning Driller, and thank you once again for your kind and gracious words. Yes, I'll admit, it has been difficult for me to keep up with your multiple personalities and imaginary friends. I'm a quick study though. I wish you well in your search for truth, my misguided Brother.

Driller

Pretzelman aka prod, You're not trying to defend Dr. Trump and his incompetence and lies. If you are a quick study it must be on camel dung... How to roll it up and smoke it. I guess you had a great and glorious day and celebrated on 9/11, since your fellow Saudi brothers inflected such pain on our Country.

sbsheridan

Only Trump supporters can spread the "Chinese Flu" because they are the only ones who call it that.

brokenanvil

I’m inclined to simply call it “The Virus” until such time as the emerging

brokenanvil

I’ll try again:

I’m inclined to simply call it “The Virus” until such time as the emerging

prodigalson

I will continue to call it "The Chinese Flu" because that's what it is.

brokenanvil

Alright then. Apparently my HTML is faulty or only Mr. LVW is allowed clickable links in his comments. My point is that the science is still emerging on the genetic characteristics of the novel pandemic virus currently wreaking havoc on the world. My link pointed to peer-reviewed research describing characteristics and genetic origin of that novel virus. Until the science becomes definitive (if ever) I think it’s fair to include the non-disputed geographic location of origin for the virus. Nothing political in that.

LVW

ba: Okay, let's see if I can get some raw code here for you. This:

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Generates this:

Display Raw HTML code.

(At least I hope it does.)

LVW

ba: Almost. One more try:

<a href="https://pythonbaba.com/display-html-code-on-webpage-or-browser-using-online-tool/"> Display Raw HTML code < /a &\gt;

LVW

Third time's the charm:

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brokenanvil

😂🤔 LVW. I’ve successfully managed the code at other times and in other comment locales but apparently The DNR comment system doesn’t like it or it could be me missing a character or adding a space on the tiny screen I often use. The code might also contain a forbidden word as well. I’m mystified as to the missing text after the link though.

brokenanvil

I’ll try this:

billnonymous

The CDC filed, in the spring of 2007, a petition to the US patent office to keep future coronavirus related applications hidden from the public. But make no mistake, the CDC holds many patents on coronavirus, its manipulation, detection tools, measurement tools, and they have made monetary gains using those patents. They are "making bank" off of this pandemic. It would not surprise me at all if it is ultimately proven that Covid19 was created by our very own CDC, not at all.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/27/anthony-fauci-should-explain-37-million-wuhan-labo/

billnonymous

I bet your grandmothersuperior whined about people calling it the Spanish Flu! Am I right?? I bet she called it the Wilson Fl-, oh no wait, he was a Democrat, so she probably called it the Republican Flu because it came from Republicans, of course! 100 years later and the "scientists" are *still* debating where it originated. Which ones are right, the ones who say it came from the "US", the ones who say "Spain", or the ones who say "France", the ones who say "Britain", the ones who say "China"? So many scientists, I guess we believe all of them because they're scientists, right? There's a lot of scientists who will be proven wrong, but should we believe them now? I mean, they ARE scientists, how dare we question them!

LVW

I'd suggest The Great Influenza, by John M. Barry. Page 92: "Epidemiological evidence suggests that a new influenza virus originated in Haskell County, Kansas, early in 1918. Evidence further suggests that this virus traveled east across the state to a huge army base, and from there to Europe. Later it began its sweep through North America, through Europe, through South America, through Asia and Africa, through isolated islands in the Pacific, through all the wide world."

billnonymous

So many scientists and researchers disagree with that, yet liberals insist all scientists are correct and are not to be questioned. Are you suggesting that all other evidence that it didn't come from KS is wrong and those scientists and researchers who have evidence to the contrary are really just stupid idiots who have no idea what they're talking about simply because Barry's book is on page 1 of a Google search?

LVW

Poorbitterbilly: First, I just read the book, which was very well-written. Second, "so many scientists and researchers..."? Do you mean your usual fringe wingnuts? Again, either you simply do not understand peer review or you choose to remain ignorant, since your goal is not to find truth but rather to make liberals look bad. Time for counseling.

billnonymous

You'd find Archie comics to be well written, too. And no, I do not mean fringe wingnuts. However, to people such as yourself, you label anyone who disagrees with you as a wingnut, you're a simpleton like that. Keep those blinders on, only Barry has it right, no one else, don't even look, don't even ask, and most importantly, don't even think, just nod that bobblehead of yours in blind agreement.

LVW

Bitterbilly: Yeah, come back when you have more than childish insults and wingnut say-so to support your point.

billnonymous

Ok, slick, no problem-o, glad you requested that! Here is one historian who has 'proven' that the Spanish Flu originated in China.

https://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-pandemic-historian-says

Humphries has also written a book, “The Last Plague: Spanish Influenza and the Politics of Public Health in Canada.” Is that all it takes to be considered valid, a good book? Well then Humphries qualifies, doesn't he? Is Humphries just a wingnut to you? Maybe Barry is the wingnut and you just haven't figured it out yet!

LVW

Bitterbilly: Humphries hasn't proven the virus started in China, but his hypothesis seems solid. He does not seem like a wingnut to me, no. Like Humphries said, only DNA testing can confirm this hypothesis.

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