Looking at a map of Virginia after the election, it is appalling that approximately 5% of the land mass of the state controls the electoral process. Wag the dog comes to mind. Virginia desperately need the equivalent of the Electoral College. The handout swamp attitude of the modern Democratic Party is solidly entrenched in the larger cities and the coastal regions bringing with it the corruption in plain view for all to see in the House of MisRepresentation today.

Richard Presgraves

Amissville

(54) comments

Driller

Newshound I myself have had many opportunities to work in Northern Va, but had a zero interest in going down there and battling the traffic and other things. One reason people go there is the job market and a lot better pay scale. I have a question. if the state is divided how are the rural areas going to come up with revenue to make the improvements to keep their counties viable? Look what is happening to Harrisonburg as JMU buys everything in site, property taxes go up as taxable property goes down.

bootsielawson

It is simple, we don't want Kalifornia here, dims can't manage a johnny house, much less a county. Every dim state is a disaster!

Donald

Thank you for your response Mr. Driller (I had to respond at the top because there was no “add reply” button available at the end of your posting). Could you give some specific differences between the younger people moving into Virginia who you say are turning the state ‘bluer’ versus the younger people who were born, raised, and continue to live here? Surely it cannot simply be age that resulted in a blue-ward trend?

P.s. Found another apple blossom on my tree this morning. Hmmm…

LVW

Donald: According to a NYT article, "One in 10 people eligible to vote in the state (VA) were born outside the United States, up from one in 28 in 1990." And while some of these were likely Republican voters, Trump turned them to the Dem party with his anti-immigrant language. MAGA!

newshound

It is anti-ILLEGAL immigration language and lets hope all those learned naturalized citizens in NOVA understand they currently support politicians with no integrity, professionalism, or class.

Donald

An interesting number, Mr. LVW. One would assume that if these out-of-country eligible voters were dispersed evenly across the Commonwealth their impact would have been minimal. However, I suspect that they naturally congregated in a geographical area, thus having a disproportionate impact on Virginia politics and culture. What would be more useful is if we were provided with the number of their children and grandchildren who have achieved an age to legally vote, as well a cultural/country of origin demographic breakdown of these new voters.

Driller

Bishopsboy I do outline my points of view and arguments. I've been on this sight for nearly 8 months and have never seen you post anything about separating the state. I give you reasons for what I say and since it is doesn't please you and you can't respond with a logical answer you say I am not coherent. Glad to see the main cheerleader (Dant) throw in his two cents.

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, I've been on this site for about 10 years. So unfortunately for you, you have missed many of my prior excellent posts on the subject.

bknjholl

I agree with Adam Serwer of the Atlantic Journal, "A widely held Republican belief about democracy in 2019, held by both elite and rank and file, is that the GOP should not be denied power simply because a majority of the electorate does not want them to wield it."

Chris Cillizza captured this idea very well too, "The problem with Ward's argument is, well, it's dumb. Very dumb."

Simply put, land mass doesn't have the right to vote, people do. The maps look red because fewer people live in those areas. I repeat, land mass doesn't have the right to vote.

Whalebroc

Pennsylvania had this same malignancy. The communitarian types that typically live in cities try to control the entire state. Probably every state has this. I’ve heard that most of Northern California are not as whacked as the SoCal progs.

Even worse is when the cities get too corrupt an$ difficult to live in, the residents move out and pollute the suburbs, with the same failed thinking that destroyed the city they’re leaving.

LVW

How is this suggestion different in spirit than the Dems whining about changing the presidential election to a popular vote, thinking it would help them win more frequently? (Answer: It isn't.)

Donald

A valid observation, Mr. LVW.

DANT

Very True, LVW

Programmer

You're right it's not any different.

bishopsboy

Since the two regions are irreconcilably different, why not just split into two separate states - Virginia and Northern Virginia?

sbsheridan

You mean ... secession?

bishopsboy

Dearest Susan, not secession, just creating a new state. There is significant historical precedence: Vermont split from New York, Maine split from Massachusetts, Kentucky and West Virginia spit from Virginia.

Driller

Bishopsboy I never heard you crybabies say anything while the Republicans were in control and we had to live by their rules. Now that the tide has turned, you all have creative ideas to try to keep your power but after the Democrats get to redo the voting boundaries next year, your next power grab may not happen for another decade. Your examples of the states splitting from other states is from 150 to 250 years ago. As you say "nice try but no cigar".

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, once again you are dead wrong. I've advocated for a split for at least two or three decades and have posted here before on that when Virginia was a red state. NOVA has different issues and concerns than the rest of Virginia - socially, economically, culturally, demographically, and politically it is very different than the rest of the state and can better serve its residents as its own political entity. You're such a negative pessimistic sourpuss all the time, try being a little happier and enjoy life for change.

Donald

This would certainly be a viable and amenable reconciliation, Mr. bishopboy. Unfortunately, the desire to control others tends to supercede reconciliation.

bishopsboy

Donald, I agree.

sbsheridan

My guess is that at least half of the states have one geographical area that contrasts with another. In Illinois, it's Chicago and its suburbs vs. "downstate." In California, it's the Bay area vs. Southern California. People just have to find ways to get along. If Northern Virginia were split off from the rest of the state, how quickly would you be calling for a split from Hampton Roads or Tidewater or Norfolk?

Driller

Bishopsboy It's hard for you Republicans to realize the state has changed and you are losing your political power. I have told you before if your going to live here quit your whining and as Mick said "get used to it".

Donald

Mr. Driller, you make an interesting observation in writing that Virginia has changed. Could you expand upon this and give your opinion as to how it has changed and what and/or who has caused that change? Thank you in advance for indulging me.

DANT

Donald, if you're waiting for an intelligent, factual, response from Driller....forget it he's not capable!

bishopsboy

Donald, you're not likely to get a response. Driller likes to throw insults, but rarely outlines his arguments or ideas in a consistent coherent manner. Maybe you can change him.

Driller

Donald I think the state has changed due to the influx of younger people into the state and the older white generation dying off. When I moved to Va. 20 years ago Northern Va. was leaning Democratic but now it is blue. The city of Harrisonburg and Rockingham County were red and now the city of Harrisonburg is blue .Have a good day.

newshound

yea its changed all right....having a hick governor, a sexual fiend Lt Governor and a fool attorney general.

All given passes by their equally quesionable constituents who voted them in.

sammy708

That's why we have a Senate, DUH!

pilot172

In the words of Trump bootlickers: "You lost; get over it."

sbsheridan

Government by land-mass instead of government by the people??

bishopsboy

Mob rule??

Driller

Bishopsboy Was it mob rule when the Republicans were controlling the state of Va? Just remember the words of that great Republican "Elections have consequences". Not so much fun when the thought of your loss of power is only a few months away.

bishopsboy

Dear Driller, I'm sure most of the people living in NOVA thought so.

newshound

Each county each city gets 2 delegates and that should provide plenty of equality---and gerrymandering is gone.

sbsheridan

This would provide greater representation to cities and counties with smaller populations. Citizens in counties with large populations would have disproportionately small voices in state matters. No equality here.

Whalebroc

SBS, “no equality here”?? That is one of the most incorrect things you have ever said. By News’ definition, it is absolutely equal. 2 per county- no more , no less.

What you are disagreeing with is the type of equality...not whether it is equal.

sbsheridan

Do the math.

bknjholl

Whaler, it is your logic that is incorrect. Check the populations of the various counties and find out who gets the power and who doesn't. What type of equality is equal? The type that let's some votes count more than others? Exactly what group of voters is more equal that the others? Is your real name George?

Whalebroc

SBS and Bkholl, the math is very simple. Again, you may not like it, BUT, 2 per county. No county gets more or less. 2=2 is as Equal as it gets. Period.

You are blinded by your arguing to realize a simple logical fact. And if you will notice, I was not stating whether I thought it was a good idea or not. It is however the essence of Equal whether you like it or not.

bknjholl

Whaler, yes it is indeed math. Numerically, 2 does in deed equal 2, a perfect example of equality. In the CONTEXT of this thread and given your previous statement about the “same malignancy” in Pennsylvania, you have indeed expressed your approval of this “2 representatives per county” proposed system.

It is simply true that two representatives for 1.5 million citizens of the Commonwealth is not equal to two representatives for 2,500 of their fellow citizens. The latter number of folks would have 500 times more representation. This, dear Whaler, is also math.

Whalebroc

Bkholl, sorry you jumped to conclusions, BUT, this is a perfect example of what happens when you ASSume something.

bknjholl

Newsy... Oh my goodness. 2 Representatives per county? That's equality?? Let's see.... There are 1,150,795 residents of Fairfax County. There are 2,210 residents in Highland County. Does Highland County really deserve more than 500 times as much representation? Why do Republicans think that the only way to win is to cheat? (I know... If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin... But that's just golf and baseball.:)

Donald

Mr. Newshound brings up an interesting suggestion, Mr. Holl, and you bring up an interesting question. Do the people of Highland county have interests that are difference or even at odds with the interests of the people in Fairfax county? if so, should their community be equally represented at the state level or should they be subject to domination by larger communities with little to no shared interests?

bknjholl

Donald, yes they certainly do. That's why we have districts and a State Senate. The interests and needs of the citizens of the commonwealth vary by geographical location. That's why we need a fairly drawn district map based on an evenly distributed population that addresses these needs.

bishopsboy

Dear bkn, what your population statistics show is that NOVA is large enough to be its own state.

bknjholl

BB, that's not gonna happen. The only real solution to the problem illuminated on this thread is for the country mice and the city mice to learn to work together. Yeah I know... It's hard. We'd best get started on that bridge.

bishopsboy

Dear bkn, first of all, it can happen. You just need enough support to make it happen. Eventually, if you live long enough, you'll see California split into two or more states. Likewise, Illinois will probably split since the rest of the state is dominated by and not served by the Chicago region. One thing is certain, political boundaries are always in flux and will always continue to be so.

newshound

The people of Highland county deserve EQUAL representation

Why do 1M people want to cram themselves into Fairfax County??

If the political way of the Dems is so wonderful then why do the folks of Highland, Rockingham, Augusta, Shenandoah, etc etc. reject it?

bknjholl

Newsy, per your comment, "The people of Highland county deserve EQUAL representation." Until you get dark money out of politics there will be no equal representation. This is more a money problem than anything else.

Driller

Newshound You sure liked gerrymandering when the Republicans did it .Next year the Democrats will get to undo the Republicans gerrymandering. I don't think your idea will be taken up!!

newshound

I have NEVER liked the IDIOTIC way districts have been formed and the racial gerrymandering griping that always follows.

Donald

A valid question Ms. Sheridan. I would have to agree that "land mass" has no relevance in political representation. It does however allude to something more politically valid which is representation of community interests which tend to be geographical and not necessarily dependent upon per capita density. Should the interests of a minority be shunted to the side if they conflict with the interests or desires of a majority or is there a way of finding accommodation of the two?

sbsheridan

A thoughtful response, Donald, and one that plagued our Founding Fathers. I think the only answer is for people to keep plugging away at possibilities for compromise and reconciliation.

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