The Democrats are raising a fuss claiming voters are being disenfranchised. This concern is worth hearing out, given that in the 20th century America did see unfair suppression of African American voters through racially filtered poll taxes and other outrageous bullying, mostly at the hands of Democrats.

However, the modern claims do not appear legitimate. The Democrats want to eliminate voter ID, explaining that many people with dark skin are incompetent to provide it. But millions of voters in India, Africa and South America beg to differ, along with the many voters of color within our country.

Voter ID is a useful tool to help election integrity, and as long as it is applied equally to all, it is not discriminatory. Black people can show ID just as well as anyone else. To claim otherwise is a racial slur. Similarly, the Democrats want random people to be able to dump large piles of ballots into public collection boxes with no chain of custody or rigorous signature verification.

Once again, direct your attention to common sense laws enforced even in third world countries where they are unfortunately well acquainted with election fraud, and such ballot harvesting is rightly disallowed. Weakening our election integrity doesn't accomplish racial equality — that's ridiculous. What are the Democrats trying to pull here?

Andy Vogan

Penn Laird

(32) comments

DeftCurmudgeon

LOL... the least you morons could do the next time you steal an election is install someone with more intellect than a mushroom...

freeride

What the GOP should have learned from the past 5 years especially is, when the Democrats start pushing a bill that seems totally ridiculous and makes little sense it is most likely a distraction from something else they don't want them to focus on. The dems stole the 2020 election by implementing changes in voting laws in the last months so nothing could be done before the election took place and I have no doubt they are up to the same corrupt workings for the 2024 election. Democrats policies are horrible and are hurting every American in this country yet they continue doing the same stupid things which should spell a complete hammering in this years election and 2024...why do they not seem worried?

DeftCurmudgeon

Meanwhile, the stolen presidency of Resident Xiden continues to burn a smoking hole in the ground... :)

billnonymous

Demonrats, in their internal meetings and conventions, require a person to produce a photo ID to enter the building, then again to pick up their credentials, and then again to vote in internal elections. They say this is to prevent voter fraud. Yet when you ask them to apply those exact same measures to a state or federal election, for the exact same reasons, they suddenly insist those very same rules that they use themselves, are unfair, racist, vote suppressing measures. Why do they wonder why we call them hypocrites. Need unemployment aid? Photo ID, please. Need your prescription filled? Photo ID, please. Need your SNAP benefits? Photo ID, please. Want to vote? No ID, no verification, no signature, no nothing. The same Demonrats who have no problem with people standing in line for hours to be tested for a virus, that is so dangerous they have to be tested to find out if they even have it, is fine, but having a person stand in line for 20 minutes to vote is a racist, sexist, vote suppressing measure. To Demonrats, any law that makes it tougher to vote illegally is a racist law. Demonrats only want laws that allow people to vote without ever proving they have a right to vote. Ask them to apply those laws to their own internal elections and they laugh at you. Demonrats are shameless hypocrites to their cold, empty souls.

bknjholl

Relax Billo. The current legislation known as the Freedom to Vote act trying to get passed explicitly calls for Voter ID.

Voter Fraud is a GOP construct ever since Karl Rove declared it to the the “existential problem of our time” back in 2005 or so…

Voting is our constitutional responsibility as citizens. Standing in line is sometimes necessary depending on local election procedure. Local election boards can deal with long lines if they want to. Creating long lines by limiting other measures is a good bit different that waiting to be tested in a pandemic. Not the best argument here.

I repeat, the current legislation is with regards to federal elections and deal with minimum standards, one of which is Voter ID. See Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution. Further, the current legislation, now named the “Freedom to Vote” act, represents a bipartisan compromise with many elements that Republicans support. It appears that both Republicans and Democrats in Congress are in favor of the legislation. The problem is simply that Republicans are against Democrats, period. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

billnonymous

you obviously haven't even briefly scanned the bill. tell me, when Democrats had LEOs throw out Republican poll watchers and then taped over the windows with pizza boxes so no one could see what they were doing, was that a transparent, honest and ethical way to conduct an election?

if Democrats truly got 81 million votes in the last election, seriously, who DIDN'T get to vote?? keep swinging, holl!

bknjholl

Well then YOU should read the bill. Voter ID is right there. It was a consession to the GOP (who hypocritically) won't vote for it any way 'cause ya know, they are just against Democrats.

billnonymous

answer the question.

billnonymous

The bill allows people to provide other things than a photo ID. Nice try. Regardless, it’s obvious to Americans that the Demonrats are trying to codify the illegal manure they pulled in the last election. Allowing absentee ballots to be counted 10 days after election day, ban states from purging dead people and out of state voters from their voting rolls, force states to mail ballots to everyone whether they are registered to vote or not or whether the ballot was requested or not, even if the intended recipient is dead or has moved out of state, and force states to accept ballots with no notarization or signature or proof of the legal status of the person submitting the ballot. It would also prohibit states from rejecting illegally submitted absentee ballots and allow groups like the SPLC to send their minions out to harvest ballots. Who do you clowns think you’re kidding? There is a reason this bill is dead on arrival in the Senate. Again, nice try, though, both you and the Demonrats!

bknjholl

Ethical you say? Pointing to "irregularities" then jumping straight to "fraud" then straight to insurrection? Pizza boxes? LOL. Pretty soon you'll be accusing election workers of pulling suitcases full of "illegal" votes from under a table. Oh snap. That dubious ethic led to death threats to the aforementioned election workers... ethical? I'm thinking the election workers will win that one.

billnonymous

It happened in Michigan and the entire US knows it, even you. So no it is not a transparent way to conduct an election. When Republicans do this in 2024, just remember, you had no problem with it in 2020.

billnonymous

holl, provide me the name of one single human being in America who was denied a right to vote by Republicans or anyone. I will absolutely, positively, wreck your argument in one sentence. No one has ever, in all of the years I've been asking this question, been able to provide me the name of even ONE person who has ever been denied the right to vote. So go find a good one, serve it up, and watch me smash it out of the park.

bknjholl

Billo, you can start with the 5.17 million voters who were denied the right to vote because of felony convictions. Republicans fought this, Democrats tried to reinstate these voters.

Do you know the names of the voters in Florida who actually committed voter fraud and are now being prosecuted? Who did they vote for?

billnonymous

so no, then?

billnonymous

if the law of a state does not allow a convicted felon to vote then they are not allowed to vote. now, the name of someone who is *legally* allowed to vote who was denied that right to vote, dodger.

bknjholl

Check Florida. The state constitution was amended to allow felons who had served their time to rejoin society and renew the rights and privileges of citizenship including the right to vote. The Republican Party then put onerous impossibly high hurdles in place to suppress those votes. In fact, Republicans all over the country are actively DENYING citizens (felons who have paid their price to society) from voting.

billnonymous

so no, then. keep swinging. you can make up all the bull manure you want, you're dodging my question, typical liberal. you're only fooling yourself.

billnonymous

Secondly, you are misinterpreting, intentionally I am sure, the Florida law, champ. It’s not felons who have “served their time,” it’s felons who have “completed their sentences.” There is a difference between the two and I'll be happy to explain it to you if you don't know what they are.

bknjholl

Yeah, not answering questions is the way we roll, amirite? You first. Who were those lovely senior citizens in Florida who actually voted twice? Who did they vote for? Did the laws work? Did they get caught?

billnonymous

you still haven't answered my original question, dodgerholl. I don’t care what their names are, if they broke the law, they’ll pay the price. Lots of dummyrats went to prison for the same thing. Who did they vote for? Look, we both know, on your best day, which clearly isn’t today, you can’t provide the name of a single person who has been denied their legal right to vote. You won’t even try because you know I am right. So far you've provided mockable excuses which I have properyl mocked. Now you figure out why your claims about Florida’s constitution and the Republicans are laughably false. Are you truly that stupid or are you believing you can actually fool me? Because that will never happen, I can assure you. So when you finally figure it out, you’ll realize how stupid your original claims were. If you’re too lazy or stupid to figure it out on your own, I will be MORE than happy to explain it to you in my own special way, of course.

freeride

What good is voter ID when you can stuff ballot boxes, count mail in ballots that don't even require a signature or chain of custody, and vote 7 days after the election? Republicans are against democrats....hahahaha you sir are clueless!

billnonymous

Exactly! And what good is a state's photo ID law when the federal government wants to overrule it by saying that a photo ID is required but, if you don't have one, just sign a piece of paper and that will be acceptable" in essence, nullifying the state's photo ID law. That is what this bill is about, taking away more power from states and giving it to the federal government. The Democrats will not rest until BLM or the SPLC is in charge of every polling station in America and oversees the collecting and counting all ballots in all states and making it a federal felony to enter any building where they are counting ballots or attempting to audit their results.

freeride

bknjholl, Bidens approval rating 33% Kamala even lower....that should clue you in on what America thinks....even President Trump never went that low!

DeftCurmudgeon

Relax J-holl, the Voter Fraud Protection Act is DOA.

You're going to have to continue to steal elections the old fashioned way.

bknjholl

So you tell me, Republicans are FOR Voter ID, yet they unanimously voted AGAINST it in the Freedom to Vote Act.

billnonymous

dodgerjholl, you can't be that stupid. Republicans didn't vote against the act because of that. I mean, you certainly do your best to make it seem like you're so stupid that you honestly believe that's the reason Republicans voted against it, so let me clarify it for you, they didn't. nice try though, please keep swinging!!! you're downright comical at this point.

prodigalson

Andy, you ask "What are the Demokkkrats trying to pull here?" The answer is very simple. They are trying to steal elections, as they succeeded in doing in 2020, and as they almost succeeded in doing in the Virginia Gubernatorial Election of 2021. The Demokkkrat Party is the party of Satan.

bknjholl

Prod, I'm pretty sure that satan is bipartisan. He'll take souls regardless of political affiliation. Watch your back...;)

prodigalson

You've lost the argument Mr. Holl. Billy has beaten you badly. You should stop while you're behind.

freeride

^[beam]

bknjholl

Yeah, and I'd feel bad about it except the points made, the logic, the factual basis of every single point offered as "argument" are based on lies, distortions, and ignorance. Billo and the rest of the Nimwit Posse have an answer for everything, it's just the wrong one... I'll check in when there is another thread I'm interested in commenting one. You guys have fun stirring the pot and playing pretend.

billnonymous

dodgerholl, as usual you offer NO proof of your claims. You just sling empty words, don't back them up, and then tell everyone you're scampering away, just like the rest of cowardly liberals in here do after perfectly regurgitating all the fake news bull manure they've been fed. Prove what I said is wrong, or based on lies, distortions or ignorance. Here is your chance, champ! Get typing and show me up! Prove I was wrong about correcting what you know about Florida's constitution and the Republicans. Prove I was wrong about the voter ID part of this bill, prove I was wrong about ONE SINGLE THING! Go ahead! You can't, not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow, and not ever. I can’t blame you for scampering away with your weak sauce. So run along now, dodgerholl, but you better bring your A game next time you “check in.” I’ll be there to wreck your nonsense again. And if we just saw your A game, I suggest you stay on the bench with LVW, Diane, driller, dansby, canoe and the rest of the brainwashed pretenders.

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