For more than a century, surgeons have routinely worn masks while operating, primarily to protect their patients from air or droplet borne infection.

Imagine going to a surgeon's office to discuss an upcoming procedure. Your surgeon informs you that his libertarian beliefs have led him to abandon the wearing of a mask during surgery. If you have common sense, you will promptly leave and look for a surgeon who cares about your well-being.

Wearing masks in stores and other public places is chiefly about the well-being of those around you. When you care more about your individual liberty than the health of others, you are giving liberty a bad name.

Zack Perdue

Harrisonburg

(23) comments

Driller

Dant, Again your history is wrong. I'll give you the facts, The Viet Nam War started in 1955 under Ike, a Republican!! That was 60 years ago and NO, I didn't like the way we were treated, when we came back from Nam. Should I have been and continue to mad at the Republicans for starting the War and sending me and other young Americans over there for months of pure h3ll. Please use your google machine and get your facts straight before you blame the Democrats for a War the Republicans started. Do you think Con Don cares about the Vets? Why did he take money from them to build his wall? Does he care about the Vets ,since they are in the majority of people that the Virus is killing, by letting the Virus run wild? You think peace is on the way in the Middle East. Maybe you should listen to Pat Robertson. He says Turkey will start a war and we currently have no leadership at the Pentagon. He forgets to mention Con Don has gutted the Pentagon leadership. You are entitled to your opinion but not your facts!!

DANT

President Kennedy (a Democrat) is the one who escalated the war and first sent U.S. soldiers to actually fight against the North. Before that American troops were only there as advisers and trainers. After The Bay of Tonkin incident is when America became fully involved and the first American bombs were dropped on North Vietnam targets, under president Johnson (a Democrat). The war escalated in 1964 to a point when 550,000 troops were deployed in the country. The war was scaled down by Richard Nixon and finally ended under Gerald Ford...both Republicans. Did President Trump totally redo the VA and give veterans the opportunity to see their own personal doctor instead of having to travel sometimes hundreds of miles to get to a VA hospital? driller you are being disingenuous and trying as hard as you can to make up stories of why president Trump is bad. I don't know if there will be peace in the middle east but I know this....no one has tried harder or accomplished as much in trying for peace than the Trump administration. Again why would you vote against a president who is trying to bring our soldiers home and end these never ending useless wars? Do you think Biden will bring our young men home and stop putting them in harms way for nothing? His own family member has a multi million dollar contract to build homes in Iraq even though he has zero experience in home construction.....what does that tell you driller? Put your glasses on and start seeing things from your own eye's instead of being told how you should think and feel.

Driller

Dant, Nice try but no cigar. Like I say you can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. You did say the Democrats started Viet Nam War and you are wrong!!! I'm glad you are giving me a history lesson on this subject. I know what the deal was, since I was there and lived a lot of it!! Did I make up the story that Con Don took money from the Veterans to build his wall? Why are you blaming me for just stating what "good ole Pat Roberson" said. He was the one that said Turkey would start a war and he claimed there was not any leadership in the Pentagon. Would you have voted for Obama, if he could have ran for President again, since he brought the troops home from Iraq? You worry about Biden's family, what about Con Don's family. Should Ivanka and Jared been given jobs within the White House and security clearances, since they had no government experience? Dant, What does that tell you? Funny you keep telling me I need to open my eyes and think for myself, I have given you worse examples of Con Don helping his family. Maybe you are the one that should open his eyes!! BTW, you never told me if your supposed Dr. wife is a liar and thief, like Dr. Trump claimed the health workers are.

DANT

driller, are you really that dumb? America did not start the war in Vietnam communist North Vietnam started the war. Under Eisenhower the U.S. started helping South Vietnam by giving them arms and advise they were not engaged in fighting. Like I said Kennedy got America involved in the fighting when he sent 400 GB troops in to actually start covert operations against the North. president Johnson turned it into a full blown war not any Republican. The money to help build the wall was not taken from veterans per say but from the misled and corrupt leadership that was leading the VA at the time. If you were being honest you would not be trying to twist the truth to make president Trump look bad. You are obviously a liar and someone who has no idea what they are talking about and sit around googling to come up with responses that usually make no sense. No president has done more for veterans across the board than president Trump and you know it. Do you believe what Pat Robertson says? I'm sure he has inside knowledge on what Turkey is going to do. Obama brought troops home at the wrong time and caused more problems than ever. ISIS tripled its control on the middle east while Obama and Biden sat on their a$$es doing nothing and sending billions to Iran who was at the time involved in terrorist operations killing American soldiers. I have my doubts on whether you ever served in Vietnam or in the military period....I think you're like Richard Bloomenthal....you wanted to be a war hero but were nothing but a zero so you made it up. Prove you were in Vietnam....tell me what was your actual job as an 11B and when were you there and where were you stationed in nam...what battles did you fight in? Where did you go to bootcamp?

DANT

If you are wearing your mask then you are protecting those who aren't? So water droplets can't get out of the mask but they can get in? What if I touch a product in Walmart....say a can of beans and I have the virus and you come behind me and pick up the same can of beans...how did wearing a mask help? If you pull up to a gas station to pump gas and and a person 5 minutes before you pumped gas and had the virus how does a mask help? Wearing a mask is probably the least effective way to control this virus but yet the sheep keep falling for what the wolves are telling them. Why are thousands of experts and practicing doctors disagreeing with the lockdown policies of ignorant governors? Could it be they understand lockdowns are more destructive than a virus that anyone over 70 has a 99% chance of surviving if they do become infected with it? The people most vulnerable are over 70 with other serious health problems so why are healthy people running around like sheep being herded by a few so called experts? Your chances of dying from Covid-19 if you are young and healthy are about as great as getting hit by lightning or drowning in a public pool!

LVW

Dant: Wow, so many incorrect statements in one post!

DANT

LVW, Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with virus but glad you pulled through and are ok!

LVW

Dant: Thanks, man. I had what they call a mild case, but I felt like I had been poisoned by Putin! Anyway, while what you say about such a small percentage dying of those who get it is true, those who get it but don't die miss work, etc., so those folks impact the economy too. Like everybody else, I just want this damned thing to go away already.

Driller

Dant, What an idiot!! You have never answered me (If your wife is a doctor, which I don't believe ) if she is a liar and thief, like Dr. Trump says the health people are. I remember you claimed the "Virus" was a "Hoax'". How has listening to Dr. Trump and idiots like you not wearing a mask worked out for the country. Remember Dr. Trump saying the "Virus" is under control and the count will soon be down to zero. Now it's 200,000 cases a day and 1,700 deaths a day, just like the experts predicted, and Dr. Trump plays golf everyday. What is so hard about wearing a mask? Why wouldn't people want to try something different when the "Virus" is running wild and continuing to grow. What Dr. Trump is saying is not working, nearly all his family has now gotten the "Virus".

DANT

driller you pos.....I never claimed the virus was a hoax and you and your completely ignorant misinterpretations of almost everything written on this forum leaves me to believe you are a goofball. You understand nothing about science or about a virus and are too stupid to stand up for your own rights. You wear your mask (little scared of your own shadow chicken) because someone in D.C. told you too. If you run an hide like a girl (no disrespect to girls) when you have a 99% chance of surviving a virus how did you ever get through Vietnam? You must have been a cook or worked in the rear echelon because you would never have survived anywhere near the front lines! My wife is a doctor and is still working full time and unlike you understands how viruses work and how they transfer from living animals to other living animals. You can't argue with ignorance or have a conversation so I will not respond to your stupidity in the future!

LVW

Dant: Then I guess your wife knows that, by far, the most common way that the virus is transmitted is by airborn droplets, which masks catch.

DANT

LVW, My wife understands just as my son who is a biology major understands that when the survival rate for anyone who is healthy is 99.5% there is no need for anyone to wear a mask and that the sooner this virus is spread and herd immunity is achieved it will be under control. Trying to limit herd immunity is foolish and is only keeping the population from quicker defeat of the virus. If the virus was killing indiscriminately people of all ages, healthy or not then yes lockdowns and masks would be a viable solution to stopping its spread until a vaccine was available but we know this virus overwhelmingly only kills health compromised people and the majority of those over age 70. If you had a business that you and your family relied on to survive and contact with the general public was imminent and chances of you dying from the virus were less than 0.001% would you willingly shut down your business? Why can people walk around Walmart all day with or without a mask in close contact especially at the checkout lines but a restaurant can't operate with social distancing, or a church? You know its a scam and I know it. How many people are not going to take the vaccine now that they see how corrupt the govt. and big pharma is? I'd say many.

LVW

Dant: First, it's not as black-and-white as death vs. life. Getting this virus sucks even if you don't die; I know, since I got it at the end of September. Secondly, 1% of the US population is 3 million people; you are being kind of callous about that many lives. Thirdly, if people voluntarily wore masks, things could have opened up long ago. It's the stubborn non-mask wearers that are keeping others home, ironically.

Driller

Dant, You like Dr. Trump will give us the truth if we wait long enough. You gave away what your wife does by saying she knows how viruses work, they transfer from living animals to other living animals. Your wife is a vet.

Driller

Dant, BTW if your wife is a Dr., is she a liar and thief like Dr. Trump said health care workers are?

DANT

should have read....anyone under 70 has a 99% chance of surviving......

Driller

Dant, Idiot!! You keep talking this % and that %. Anyone under 70 has a 99% chance of surviving, what if you are in the 1 % that doesn't survive? If your supposed Dr. wife and son were one of the 1% that caught the "Virus" and died. would you still say they didn't need a mask? I still say your wife is a vet, if she's a Dr. at all, and I 'll guarantee she doesn't work at the hospital or sees patients one on one daily. You like to downgrade my service in Viet Nam, I'll guarantee you I saw more combat action in a week, than you have seen in a lifetime. The nice thing, now, is that come Jan. 20 2020 we will have a President that cares about people and will listen to the experts!! Keep crying and whining, Dr. Trump and Borat Rudy has plenty of cheese coming your way.

DANT

driller, what I can't understand is how you could be on the side of the party (Democrats) that were responsible for spitting on our soldiers returning from Vietnam and calling them baby killers and murderers. Did you not feel that was wrong? Seeing your comrades in arms being treated that way? Did you agree with them? Why would you vote against the only president in recent history who was trying to end the never ending wars in the middle east? Do you realize the Vietnam war was started by Democrats? Republicans actually ended it. If you were drafted to go and serve I can see how you would have a chip on your shoulder and if you went even though you were against the war I salute you for being man enough to not run off to Canada and do your duty but how you can support the party that IMO will escalate the war in the middle east is truly baffling. You really believe Biden cares about people when for years he has been one of the top politicians voting to send middle-class jobs overseas and letting cheap labor come across our borders hurting middle class working families. His whole family have become millionaires through underhanded corrupt dealings with China, Ukraine, and who knows what other countries. I can't believe you are that blind that you don't see what Biden is....you talk about Trump dodging the draft...Biden used asthma as an excuse to skip the war you fought in....how does that make you feel? Biden was kicked back on the couch watching Sunday football and eating pizza while you were risking your life....thats who you voted for! Biden has done zero in 45 years as a politician and you actually believe he's somehow going to miraculously change the country for the better?

DANT

driller, you dummy, a vet actually has to learn more and know more than a human doctor and learns everything that human doctors are taught. Humans are one animal but vets have to understand and treat many different species of animal from canines too felines too reptiles too birds too equines and everything in between. Human doctors only work on one species, humans. Veterinarians know and are taught as much about disease including viruses as any human doctor....just so you understand, dummy!

Driller

Dant, you still didn't answer my question , is your supposed wife is a veterinarian? I bet, if she is a Dr., she's a veterinarian.

Donald

I will refrain from addressing who is giving “liberty a bad name”, but I am willing to accept your moral superiority if you can honestly say that you wore a mask previously during flu seasons and that you will continue to wear a mask year round in your effort to avoid passing on harmful potentially deadly contagions of any sort.

LVW

FYI, Zach is a physician.

newshound

Must have been embarrassed to pit Dr. in front or MD at the end.

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