I can answer Bill Faw’s question about President Trump’s statement of loyalty. (“Question for Trump Voters,” Oct. 23). In a word — metaphor. Only a blubbering idiot would believe that if he murdered someone he would go free. If he did so he would go to jail and/or be executed. He knows this. We deplorables know it. Only fools don’t.

Hillary called us deplorable. Then she went on to state a very real fact. She was absolutely right about people being let down by government, lousy economy, and desperate for change. She said, “Those are people we have to understand and empathize with.” And so we did not vote for her. We knew she did not plan do any of that.

President Donald Trump is a loud, brash braggart with an enormous ego. He has a big no-filter problem, thinks out loud, and is somewhat childish in dealing with people who insult him. What he is not is corrupt, afraid, stupid, or a hypocrite. Whole bunch of people put their faith in him and will continue to do so as long as he delivers — delivers a shaken up swamp, judges that don’t rewrite the Constitution, a border that means something, an environment that allows business to grow and people to have hope for a meaningful life.

We Trump supporters want something and will support him flaws and all to get it. We would also throw him out if he goes off the rails (That’s our definition of off the rails — not yours) and commits crimes beyond what Obama did. We deplorables want to undo the harm that liberalism has done to us. We deplorables want to have the safety of letting our children play outside or walk to school again. We want our children taught to love their country and respect their flag at school again. We want families to stay together — not have laws that incentivize fathers not to be there. We want immigrants to blend into our culture, not the other way around. We want girls to compete in sports against girls — not guys. We want a leader that puts Americans first. We want a leader who fights for us — the deplorables.

Personally, I find it better to have a crude president than a socialist, a liberal or a crook like Hillary. President Trump is doing what he got elected to — and against the most foulest of nastiness from Democrats. And building the wall — at last!

He is now in a fight against corruption and risking his presidency to fight it. We will not desert him. He will not be impeached. Not by crooked politicians. Not for doing what Obama did.

Question for the Bill Faws of the world. Now that the Democratic Party is led by socialists do you plan on continuing to support the end of America? If so, then thank a deplorable for saving your stupid butt. We will not allow you to destroy us too.

Michael Fortson lives in Page County.

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hbdansby

I am curious to know if ordinary Republican voters are still denying that Trump has committed impeachable offenses. Compare Clinton's literal answer to a deposition question, "Is there an affair?" with Trump's use of critical support to Ukraine as leverage to destroy the reputation of a campaign opponent.

bishopsboy

Dear hbd, yes, every Republican voter I know still thinks President Trump is innocent of any impeachable offenses.

prodigalson

Yes bishop, and the Demokkkrats know it too. They just won't admit it.

DeftCurmudgeon

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and disbarred.

When you strike at the King, you must kill the King.

Schiff has whiffed and now...

Durham is coming.

"An FBI official is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN.

The possibility of a substantive change to an investigative document is likely to fuel accusations from President Donald Trump and his allies that the FBI committed wrongdoing in its investigation of connections between Russian election meddling and the Trump campaign.

The finding is expected to be part of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's review of the FBI's effort to obtain warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."

LVW

Durham's report might be one big popcorn f@rt of nothingness. Then what will you have to look forward to?

hbdansby

There may be some things some knows, but I doubt he knows much about construction and building. If he has any expertise, it would be in the value of image in marketing, the "Trump brand" kind of thing. For decades, Asians were very brand conscious, but even they are moving away from that to value based purchasing. So, the usefulness of the Trump approach may be waning, as well.

hbdansby

Or, another person might see it this way: https://apple.news/AqswaLNp_QQC5Vi_gb706mA

sbsheridan

Mr. Fortson’s support for Trump is based on the same prejudices and false information that grip most Trump supporters. He assumes that Hillary Clinton planned not to carry out any of her campaign promises; he refers to crimes committed by Obama as if this were an established fact; he calls Ms. Clinton a socialist, a liberal, or a crook, and he subtly implies that those who do not like Trump are fools. Mr. Fortson claims the President has delivered a “shaken up swamp”; to others it appears he has merely substituted his own swamp things for previous residents. He says Trump’s actions on immigration establish “a border that means something,” even though we are no closer to a rational immigration policy now than when Trump took office. He admires Trump’s exit from the Paris climate accords because it allows business to grow, even though it will be harder for business to grow in the midst of wildfires, flooding, and severe air pollution. Mr. Fortson also expects Trump to cure a host of social ills—children’s safety, respect for the flag, absent fathers, and unisex sports – that arise from many factors beyond a president’s influence. Finally, I have difficulty reconciling Fortson’s acceptance of Trump’s crudeness and “somewhat childish” way of dealing with people – characteristics that have alienated former allies – with his condemnation of Democrats for “the most foulest [sic] of nastiness.” Trump supporters and Trump critics have vastly different views of reality.

Les Grady

Thanks, sbsheridan. I keep wishing for his supporters to actually give real factual evidence for their complaints but it hasn't come today.

Sane Man

"Trump supporters and Trump critics have vastly different views of reality." One rare statement from you that I agree with. What did Obama achieve in eight years? The Paris accord was lopsided against the US and the Iran deal was laughably ignorant and costly. Trump has achieved the following in just three years.

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.

More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.

Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.

Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.

Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.

95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.

Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.

Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.

Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.

Record number of regulations eliminated.

Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.

Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.

We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.

Signed Right-To-Try legislation.

Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.

We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.

Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.

Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.

Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.

Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

sbsheridan

This is Trump praising Trump. Many of these items are not what they seem.

newshound

Are you sure you're not Nervous Nancy?

R B Tate

Seems like a socialist's nightmare. Kind of hard to spread misery to productive folks who are living their dreams, keeping more of their earnings, and leaving malcontents eating their dust.

prodigalson

On the contrary M S, these things are exactly what they seem. You and Les Grady wanted a list of accomplishments? Sane Man presented you with an exhaustive list of verifiable facts, and you have no answers. Your TDS is showing.

Jay Zehr

Typical Trump to have an outdated list of accomplishments still posted on his website. GDP growth last quarter wasn’t 4.2 percent, it was under 2 percent. Retail sales didn’t “surge” last month, they declined. Manufacturing jobs aren’t growing, we lost jobs in September. 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are no longer optimistic about the future. It’s dropped to 67 percent this year as there are signs of trouble. Those are the only points I checked, not going to bother with more. Sure, Trump and minions claim the economy while it’s still strong. But we all know when we hit the wall, suddenly it’s going to be the fault of deep state pedophile Democrats hiding in the White House cafeteria. Fed chief Powell just mentioned one of the elephants in the room: “The federal budget is on an unsustainable path, with high and rising debt. Over time, this outlook could restrain fiscal policymakers’ willingness or ability to support economic activity during a downturn.” But everyone’s sticking fingers in their ears and singing “la la la, the economy’s still fine.”

Sane Man

If the economy is wavering as you would have us believe, why is it that the words "economy" and "jobs" rarely if ever mentioned in the debates? And if Obamacare is so great, why is every candidate trying to change it? The Dems have little to nothing to talk about to make America better right now. Therefore, they concocted a false narrative of impeachable offenses and are yet to provide one shred of direct evidence. All the testimony has been second, third and fourth hand. None of which would be admitted in any court of law or legal proceeding. Yet, the sheep have fallen in line, and will follow Pelosi and Schiff off the political cliff when this debacle reaches the Senate.

Jay Zehr

Wow. Political candidates not talking about long term, big picture issues. That’s got to be a first. Obviously, if there’s no recession before the election, they’re not going to talk about as much about the economy. That doesn’t mean they’re aren’t warning signs, that doesn’t mean you didn’t post what are now erroneous figures in defense of Trump’s record, that doesn’t mean the policies of the last three years aren’t going to hamstring us in responding to the economic downturn that’s going to happen sooner or later regardless of which party controls Washington. We’re all hoping it won’t be as bad as last time. As far as The ACA or impeachment, I don’t see what that has to do with my comments.

prodigalson

I'm curious Jay, where was your concern over the federal budget deficit and debt when Obama was in office?

Jay Zehr

Obama took the deficit down from 1.4 trillion in Bush’s last budget in 2009 to an average of 540 billion a year during his second term. Trump has it up over a trillion again in just three years. During a booming economy. Try again, Anonymous.

prodigalson

Jay, whether the deficit goes up, or whether it goes down, every year that the United States Government runs a budget deficit adds to our national debt. Americans who run their household budgets this way end up going bankrupt. The key to eliminating the budget deficit, and eventually paying off the national debt, is a growing economy, which in turn, creates a growing stream of tax revenue, along with spending restraints. Unfortunately, the spending restraints never seem to materialize as politicians from both parties find it too great a temptation to bribe voters with their own money so that they can remain in power.

Jay Zehr

Stop the presses. “Every year that the United States Government runs a budget deficit adds to our national debt.” Where have we heard that warning before, Anonymous? Oh, yeah. Right up there with abortion as one of the top issues for conservatives the last 40 years. Unless there’s a Republican president in which case the guy running trillion dollar deficits is an economic genius. And you were trying to call me out for hypocrisy on that issue. By the way, as far as paying off the debt with a growing stream of tax revenue from a growing economy, not only was third quarter GDP growth under 2 percent, the latest Fed estimates have 4th quarter GDP growth at nearly zero. That’s just 24 months after the huge tax cut that was going to pay for itself with increased economic growth.

prodigalson

As I previously posted Jay, both parties run deficits, and so I hold them both accountable for our current circumstances. As for the tax cuts, GDP growth will ebb and flow quarter to quarter, but there is no denying that the economy, overall, is now much stronger than when Obama was in office. The really impressive part is that President Trump has jump started our economy after 8 years of an anemic recovery. Normally, when coming out of a recession, the economy moves along a a very nice clip for awhile as businesses and consumers begin to spend again. Not so between 2009 and 2016, when Obama's heavy hand of government interfered in the process with increased regulation and government spending, which siphoned resources from the private sector. A normal economic cycle would produce a recession every 7 to 10 years, and so after 8 years of expansion (albeit a very weak expansion averaging less than 2.0% GDP growth), we have been due for another recession, but thanks to Mr. Trump's tax cuts and reductions in government regulations, the next recession has been delayed for at least another couple of years, and economic activity has actually increased, not declined.

LVW

LOL, this list brought to you by the Committee to Reelect Donald J. Trump. I'm sure it would be quite easy, if one had a bit of time, to create a list of negative things that happened in the past 3 years. (And some would be taken right from this list!)

Sane Man

I stated achievements that Trump had produced in just three years. I did not say they had to be current. When facts get in the way, and you have no defense, you try to twist words. Did these achievements occur? Why don't your party mention the economy or jobs? Provide just one person that has provided information that is impeachable. It does not exist. All the testimony is hearsay. The Senate will show the American people what a waste of time this has been when rules of law and evidence apply to their hearings.

prodigalson

Well LVW, you obviously have time to comprise such a list because you have time to post to this sight regularly. Please, provide us with this "list" of things that have gone wrong. The bottom line is, you will not be able to come up with such a list, not because you don't have time, but because there is none. President Trump is doing an amazing job under very difficult circumstances, and you know it. The only reason that you are unable to admit it is because the facts fly in the face of your liberal world view.

Sane Man

Outstanding Mr. Fortson. I am sick of hearing liberals say they hate Trump simply because he doesn't act presidential. He is in deed different, but he is certainly the best businessman to ever hold the office. He is a leader that loves his country and the citizens that have worked hard to make it great. Obama had no qualifications for the office of President. He was elected because of his color and certainly not his skillset. Obama and his administration was the most devious, lawless and racially divisive group to ever visit Washington, D.C. Anyone to think or state otherwise is ignorance or dishonesty. Usually, it's the latter.

hbdansby

Does this mean you would support Michael Bloomberg for president?

R B Tate

Bloomberg can't be trusted...because he is way too short.

hbdansby

And was FDR too handicapped?

prodigalson

Excellent post Sane man.

bknjholl

And yet Mr. Trump has no qualifications to be President; his skill set is totally unsuited for public service; views the presidency as a cash cow for his business; is in service of himself first believing that what HE wants is what America NEEDS. When the tax bill he passed actually helps me, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath.

Pakled

"What he is not is corrupt, afraid, stupid, or a hypocrite. (...) He is now in a fight against corruption and risking his presidency to fight it."

This database tracks the documented incidents of Trump's corruption from conflicts of business interest. It went over a count of 2600 this week, so far.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-conflicts-of-interest-tracking/

He's working for himself (corrupt in these documented ways), not doing his job of upholding the Constitution and serving the public interest. He never really took on that job of performing the presidency. It's just a stepping stone. It gets him the other things he wants, plus a convenient way to delay indictments and lawsuits for various crimes.

You say you can define the "rails" that you will be able to throw him "off of", if he in fact turns out to be corrupt. How soon will you perceive that corruption, and define those rails?

bishopsboy

Dear Pakled, no surprises here - another left-wingnut dot org funded by liberal wingnut donors and supported by liberal wingnut organizations dedicated to trashing President Trump and anyone else who opposes their socialist anti-Western views. Please find a conservative site with similar trackers and you might gain some credibility.

Pakled

bishopsboy - When you can't handle 2600+ documented facts that show your hero to be corrupt, attack the information source. Got it. That magically makes the facts and the documented corruption go away.

bishopsboy

Dearest Pakled, facts are often in the eyes of the beholder. All people are corrupt.

bknjholl

BB, facts in the eye of the beholder? I'm sorry... that's just wrong. Refute Pak's facts or sit down.

bishopsboy

Sorry, dear bkn, but what constitutes facts are shaped by one’s worldview and therefore are in the eyes of the beholder. Unless you have some objective standard with which to ascertain the accuracy of said fact then I stand by my statement.

bknjholl

FACT: a thing that is indisputably the case: a body of fact | she lacks political experience—a fact that becomes clear when she appears in public.

• (usually facts) a piece of information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

• (the fact that) used in discussing the significance of something that is the case: the real problem facing them is the fact that their funds are being cut.

• chiefly Law: the truth about events as opposed to interpretation: there was a question of fact as to whether they had received the letter.

BB please underline and remember the last one. "The truth about events as opposed to interpretation." My friend, you are very wrong about this.

bknjholl

Corrupt: having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

BB. You simply must check out these words before you throw them around. You may not make up definitions according to your world view or what you believe.

bishopsboy

Dear bkn, regarding facts, Kurt Godel proved in any logical self-consistent system some truths must be taken on faith. Those truths include facts, which are therefore open to interpretation since some of them are based on faith. That is unless you have an absolute external standard with which to assess the accuracy of the “fact”. Regarding corruption, you and I and everyone else are hopelessly corrupt according to the God of Israel. I’ll take His definitions over yours. Touché.

newshound

Ok genius, what are all these "other things" he wants? Dealing with slimeball liberal democrats on a daily basis?

This man DECLINED to take his six-figure, tax-payer funded presidential salary ... yea I perceive that corruption!

LVW

This letter is ... illuminating.

newshound

And darn accurate too

prodigalson

Michael, this letter is brilliant! Well done!!

bishopsboy

"President Donald Trump is a loud, brash braggart with an enormous ego. He has a big no-filter problem, thinks out loud, and is somewhat childish in dealing with people who insult him. What he is not is corrupt, afraid, stupid, or a hypocrite."

Michael, that's what liberals don't understand because they are corrupt, afraid, stupid, and hypocrites.

bknjholl

Except that Mr. Trump is indeed hugely afraid, stupid, CORRUPT and a hypocrite. Go figure.

bishopsboy

All are corrupt, including you dear bkn.

hbdansby

"All are corrupt" would appear to be the bottom line defense of Trump.

LVW

Bb: I am none of those things. Trump is, and always has been, about Trump. If there is a conflict between what is best for Trump and what is best for someone/something else (including the country), Trump will go with Trump. Surely you know this.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, that is completely untrue. You’re a decent person compared to others, but selfish and corrupt nonetheless. Trump has both good and bad in him like all of us. At the end of the day, I believe Trump will do what’s in the best interest of the country and good for the American people. I have more faith in his goodwill than any of the other clowns in DC.

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