“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”- Ben Franklin.

Mr. Schmookler’s anti-Second Amendment stance is once again on display. He advocates that we wait and see “what gets passed” before we resist the trampling of our civil and Constitutional rights. Hard to put the genie back in the bottle, isn’t it Schmookler? At the very least it would take years of court battles all the while our rights would be denied. I would remind Schmookler that the Constitution itself says that state laws cannot negate, nullify or change Federal laws — e.g. the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I also would refer Schmookler to the last four words of the Second Amendment — “shall not be infringed” (act so as to limit or undermine something).

Senate Bill No. 16 (yes, Schmookler we do know what they are trying to pass) proposes, among other things, that it would be unlawful to import, sell or POSSESS a semi-automatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has a flash suppressor or muzzle brake. Nearly all AR-15s have muzzle suppressors or muzzle brakes. It outlaws all semi-auto pistols with a detachable magazine if it has a threaded barrel, flash suppressor or muzzle brake.

I have a semi-auto pistol with detachable magazine and a muzzle brake that I’ve owned for over 30 years. Now I would be a felon for possessing it? I do believe this is ex post facto and violates Article I. Section 10. And you see nothing unconstitutional in all this Schmookler? You think that is not an infringement on the Second Amendment? Speaks volumes about your comprehensive skills or honesty. The bill is lengthy, oppressive and not “complying” is a Class 6 felony.

Did our founding fathers wait for a court to rule that the oppressive laws England enacted, one of which was to disarm the Colonists? No, they did not. If they had, we would be flying the Union Jack instead of the Stars and Stripes.

Now to Schmookler’s inane and convoluted analogy of defending the Second Amendment and secession during the War Between the States. I would ask Schmookler to show me, in the Constitution, the words “perpetual union.” Then show me, in the Constitution, where it prohibits secession. Finally, show me a court ruling, before 1860, that ruled states could not secede. Virginia, New York and Rhode Island specifically withheld the right to secede. The ratifications of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island were unanimously accepted as valid. Those states’ claims to the right of secession was understood and agreed to by the other ratifiers. Thomas Jefferson, George Mason and Patrick Henry all supported the right of secession. No, secession at that time did not violate the Constitution. The War only proved that might makes right.

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance”--Thomas Jefferson.

Molon labe.

Mike Muterspaugh lives in Harrisonburg.

(98) comments

Driller

prodigalson I will tell you again I am not Harvey!! Again bishopsboy has written you a nice long post that still gives your reasons for believing Democrats are "Pure Evil", but he didn't answer my questions. Again, have you heard of any Democrats forcing any women to have an abortion? A simple yes or no would be nice. Do you think only Democrats have abortions? A simple yes or no is OK. Is it alright for kids to be left with no parental guidance, do drugs, be abused and do you think only Democrats do this to kids? Do you think you know peoples situations that is best for them, in California or other places, without knowing them, than they do? Since you supposedly moved to the United States, have you met any Democrats that are not pure evil? Don't dance around the questions, a simple yes or no will do. Why is the KKK considered a far right group? Why is there good people on both sides in Charlottesville according to Con Don? Do you believe that? Speaking of Communism. why has Con Don not said a bad word against Putin and believes what he says? Go ahead and try to explain why Republicans are not "Pure Evil" as they seem to do the same things Democrats do?

prodigalson

Thank you once again, Harvey, for your thoughtful post. Again, I'll attempt to answer your questions. Have I ever heard of Demokkkrats forcing women to have abortions? No, I can't say that I have, but I'm not sure why that question is even relevant. When a woman has an abortion, Harvey, she murders her own offspring. This is a verifiable, scientific fact. The Demokkkrat party supports, condones, and advocates for abortion up through the 9th month of pregnancy, and even beyond. For this reason, the Demokkkrat party is pure evil. Do I think only Demokkkrats have abortions? No, but it is the Demokkkrat party that fully supports abortion, which again, amounts to nothing less than cold blooded murder. Is it all right for kids to be left with no parental guidance, do drugs, be abused, and do I think Demokkkrats do this to kids? No, I do not believe that it is okay for kids to be left with no parental guidance, do drugs, or be abused. While I certainly would not say that all Demokkkrats do this to kids, Demokkkrats certainly advocate policies that make these problems worse, and they do this knowingly. For this reason, the Demokkkrat party is pure evil. Do I think that I know people's situations, in California and other places, better than they do? I'm not sure where you're headed with this question. I am a traditional conservative, which means that I believe in limited government, and allowing people to live their lives as they see fit, unless the decisions that they make do harm to other people (abortion, for example). Have I ever met any Demokkkrats that are not pure evil? Yes. many people vote for Demokkkrats simply because they aren't properly educated, and don't know any better. Why is the KKK considered a right wing group? The KKK is considered a right wing group by Demokkkrats who wish to whitewash their association with the KKK. Those of us who know history know that the KKK is not a right wing group at all. It is a group started, funded, and supported by the Demokkkrat party. This is a verifiable fact. Why did President Trump say that there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville? Because there were good people on both sides. President Trump was not referring to Black Lives Matter, Antifa, or the KKK when he made those comments. He was referring to the fact that there are those of us who feel strongly about whether the statues should stay or go, who are most certainly not affiliated with any of the aforementioned groups. The news media purposely misinterpreted President Trump's comments in order to smear him. It didn't work. And lastly, why has President Trump not said anything bad about Putin? President Trump has done what all presidents have done in this regard. He has practiced diplomacy. President Trump has made many decisions that went against the best interest of the Russians and Vladimir Putin. You Demokkkrats just refuse to accept it. I hope this answers all of your questions Harvey. If you have further questions though, please feel free to reach out. I enjoy the "meaningful dialogue". Happy New Year!

hbdansby

Here are some reasons people might consider Republicans “evil:”

1. Denial of climate change, the most important problems of all time

2. Refusal to acknowledge the slaughter of children and others from a gun culture that has arisen in the last 20 years. Sandy Hook 6 year olds were exploded.

3. Ridiculous attitudes toward planned parenthood, abortion, LGBT and same sex marriage

4. Slamming health care reform, but offering no solutions of their own and opposing the Massachusetts Romney plan when incorporated into ObamaCare

5. Slamming Democrat’s solutions for making college affordable, but no solutions to the $1.6 trillion college debt

6. Dishonest, unconstitutional acts by Mitch McConnell such as defining senate’s role to keep Obama from being reelected (unpatriotic and racist act), refusal to consider Obama’s nominee for justice, denying duty to consider Trump’s guilt for high crimes and misdemeanors

7. Assailing honorable men like Adam Schiff

8. Complaining for decades about the federal debt, and now ignoring it

9. Opposing relentless cap and trade as a tax, even though market based

10. Supporting a president that

a. obviously impeachable president with absurd arguments

b. that is a lier and tyrant (over 14,000 lies so far)

c. attacking Greta Thunberg, and otherwise acting worse than any citizen in the US

d. ignoring climate change, the most important and dangerous challenge to mankind for his own personal and political gain

11. Firing and slandering competent and honest cabinet members and staff, and allies, while praising obvious tyrants and crooks domestically and abroad

12. Pushing private schools and charter schools out of a desire to grant privilege to wealthy white people or avoid integration, often under the guise of assisting disadvantaged students

13. Opposing fanatically abortion to the expense of other important issues, while doing little to educate, care for and provide contraception for pregnant women as is done by Planned Parenthood and affordable health care

14. Exploiting gerrymandering and voter ID requirements to gain artificial advantages in election

15. Tolerating the deliberately hidden agenda of the Kochs to change the fabric of American politics

16. Tolerating the anti democratic and profane behavior of Trump, including his hiding of his tax returns, nepotism by including relatives in his administration, lying and misrepresentation

17. Tolerating and fomenting division of the country into two camps

18. Advocating gun rights to the exclusion of other important issues, when the value of guns to the public is near zero, except for hunting sports, which could be easily preserved without endangering the streets

19. Mixing religion and politics

20. Tolerating and supporting demagogic talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Hannity and news sources like Fox dedicated to a single party

 

One group that is a stalwart republican supporter is middle and upper economic class whites because their main concern is lower taxes. To get lower taxes they are quite willing to ignore slaughtered children and climate change.

prodigalson

Thank you for your kind words Mr. Dansby. When you see your "visitors" again (you know, the ones who admonished you not to respond to my last post because I believe differently than you, and am therefore to be considered "odd" and "dangerous"), please wish them a joyous Christmas season, and a Happy New Year!

Mike Muterspaugh

dansby-If you want to see an anomaly dansby, look in the mirror. And please, don't "bother" with us. As always your arrogance, conceit and self-importance know no bounds. You make me tired.

hbdansby

Republicans have made a gradual slide to the right, aided by the addition of southern Dixiecrats to the Republican Party and by news networks and talk show hosts that exploit indulgent sides of human nature for the audience/advertiser money. Despite the populist appearance of this transition, big money is still in control, and the people on this website and tens of millions of others are being used.

Donald

And what a magnificent thorn he was, Mr. Dansby! His efforts as an anti-federalist helped create and attach the Bill of Rights onto the Constitution.

One has to wonder how much more over-powering the federal government would be if Mr. Henry’s fear of a too-powerful national government did not cause him to work toward trying to limit it through the amendments suggested – 10 of which were ratified. Good on him.

P.s Contrary to Mr. Fukuyama’s assertion, history ain’t over yet.

[beam]

Donald

By the way, I hope everyone had a happy Collapse of the Soviet Union day, today.[beam]

prodigalson

Yes, it was a great day for me Donald. The Demokkkrats? not so much.

mattnamyj

Guns and the men willing to use them will ultimately decide!

prodigalson

I agree Matt. Thank God for the second amendment.

hbdansby

Some might argue that policy made without the threat of death would be preferred in a democracy.

brokenanvil

Argue they may, Mr Dansby, but better men than you or I have argued thusly:

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

There it is sir, from the mouth of patriots who purchased our democracy.

hbdansby

Brokenanvil, even though Patrick Henry is related to my spouse, history shows him to be a thorn in the side of James Madison and others as they tried to get the Constitution written and passed. No, Patrick Henry was fearful of a federal government, remarkably like many of today's so-called conservatives. He was ultimately on the wrong side of history, just as is today's conservative and Republican. I would regard the participants on this blog as anomalies and not bother with them, were it not the fact that there are tens of millions of Americans very much like them.

Donald

I would suggest, Mr. brokenanvil, minor though it may be, that they bequeathed us a constitutional republic, not a democracy. I am sure you know that, but in today’s political climate I think making the distinction is more important than ever. Patrick Henry – one of the good guys.[thumbup]

Driller

prodigalson, Sorry you are wrong again, I'm not Harvey, I don't know Harvey, I don't have any ties to EMU I don't even know anyone with ties to EMU. I am convinced that if you are who you say you are, I'm sure bishopsboy writes your longer posts. You didn't respond to any of my questions, you just stated again why you think what you think. As bishopsboy says "nice try but no cigar". Please don't deflect and answer my questions one by one in my post to you. I doubt that bishopsboy will directly answer any of the questions for you.

prodigalson

Good morning Driller, and thank you once again for your thoughtful response and your kind words. I truly have attempted to answer all of the questions that you posed to me, but since we obviously aren't communicating, I'll make another attempt. Here goes: You ask why I haven't left the country yet with all of the evil Demokkkrats in this country. The answer is that there are many wonderful things about this country, starting with the fact that it was founded on Christian principles, that I love. There is no other country like it in the world (I know, because I have visited some of them). In the United States, a person can literally start with nothing, in the worst of socioeconomic circumstances, and through hard work and perserverence, have a productive life, and even become wealthy. The Demokkkrat party is pure evil because the party leaders, and many of the party faithful, are He!! bent on destroying this system. The Demokkkrat party only exists because they fan the flames of jealousy and hatred. They try to convince their voters (successfully in too many cases) that their lives are miserable because of the success of other people. They see human beings, not as precious children of God, but as political pawns to be exploited to serve their own selfish ends. It is for this reason that the Demokkkrat party supports slavery, racism, the Ku Klux Klan, abortion (and even the cold blooded murder of little babies after they have been born), eugenics, entrapping minorities in inner city, big government prisons with a lifetime of government dependency that extends for generation after generation, and illegal immigration (which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes). In short, Driller, the Demokkkrat party is rotten and evil to its very core, and more and more people are starting to realize it. The good news, Driller, is that you and Harvey (if, in fact, you are different people, which I doubt) have a choice. You can continue to deny the verifiable facts that I have just laid out for you, and continue to support this purely evil Demokkkrat party, or you can join the side of truth, and work to dismantle the Demokkkrat party, and all of the hatred that it stands for. I bid you peace, and wish you a very merry Christmas my brother!

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, as you can see from my royal brother’s response above, there is no need for me to write his responses. He has answered every one of your questions point by point. Stop lying about that or Santa may put you on his naughty list tonight. Merry Christmas, dearest Driller, and have a wonderful New Year filled with peace and love.

LVW

prod: If you are serious, then you really do have an incredibly inaccurate and twisted view of Democrats. How can you seriously believe that half the country supports a party of "pure evil?"

prodigalson

I follow where the facts lead LVW, and those are the facts. I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas!

hbdansby

The Demokkkrat party is pure evil because the party leaders, and many of the party faithful, are He!! bent on destroying this system.

The current republicans are the ones that are not content with incremental improvements on the existing system. They want to go back pre-Teddy Roosevelt. They regard Teddy Roosevelt as an illegitimate Republican and the beginning of the end to true conservatism, loosely described as complete laissez faire. Democrats are seeking to solve problems, not cleave to some ideological agenda.

The Demokkkrat party only exists because they fan the flames of jealousy and hatred.

I can tell you that this statement is a mystery to Democrats, particularly the popular republican conception that Obama was divisive in race. If by jealousy, you are talking about restructuring taxes, a progressive tax system has been in place from the gitgo. Globalization of the economy has made the rich richer and the middle class and working American poorer, suggesting that redistribution of wealth is needed. (The world is richer but most Americans are poorer.)

They try to convince their voters (successfully in too many cases) that their lives are miserable because of the success of other people.

I think that many democrats see a problem with stagnation of middle class wages, the dumbing down of available jobs, and the lack of affordable health care and pre and post natal care, and thus look for solutions. They recognize that policy impacts the distribution of wealth and look for policy changes to make the system fairer, to solve the problems they see. You might say that many democrats start with the problem and look for a cause in current policy, while conservatives start with ideology and ignore the problems of solutions seem to violate their ideology (like a carbon tax to attack greenhouse emissions).

They see human beings, not as precious children of God, but as political pawns to be exploited to serve their own selfish ends.

This is the same thing democrats say about republicans, that they exploit the social hot buttons to maintain their control of the country's wealth, as has been the practice of republicans for decades. Democrats emphasize people and republicans emphasize the system, and both can be wrong in their emphasis.

It is for this reason that the Demokkkrat party supports slavery,

It is not legitimate the say that today's Democratic Party is associated with the slavery supporting democrats of the early 19th century.

racism,

Racism today is more associated with the republicans than democrats in that the south converted to republican over the last 50 years. It is the republicans that hated Obama in many cases because of his being mixed race. It is mainly the republicans that oppose the Black Lives Matter movement, and regardless of what you think of that movement, active opposition to it is hardly free of racism.

the Ku Klux Klan,

Again, like slavery, this is related to the old southern Democratic Party which is (guess what) now republican.

abortion (and even the cold blooded murder of little babies after they have been born),

This is partially a religious issue, based on a religious sentiment that babies are conceived through God. Both democrats and republicans are religious, but the fundamentalist Christians and Republican Party have chosen to politicize it, allowing critics to blame abortion on democrats. To the extent that abortion is a dignity of life and one of upholding our humanity, the republicans viciously oppose programs like Planned Parenthood, contraception, and affordable health care, all of which help young women stay out of situations that would prompt them to consider abortion.

eugenics,

I guess this another thing you associate historically with democrats of the south.

entrapping minorities in inner city,

I don't have any information on this.

big government prisons with a lifetime of government dependency that extends for generation after generation,

Again, I don't know how this is associated with democrats.

and illegal immigration (which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes).

I have to agree with you to some extent. The way some democrats today speak, you would think they are for open borders, to let anyone come it. I think that is unsustainable. On the other hand, republicans like you never mention that Obama worked harder than any president in reducing illegal immigration. However, Obama did not seek to publicize or glorify what he was doing. Also, Republican business owners looked the other way as they they hired millions of illegal immigrants. Both parties are guilty on the immigration problem, and it was conservative republicans that torpedoed comprehensive immigration reform.

In short, Driller, the Demokkkrat party is rotten and evil to its very core, and more and more people are starting to realize it.

I am afraid that democrats feel the same way about republicans. Who is more incorrect? Republicans, because they get their news from illegitimate news sources, like Fox and the conservative talking heads like Hannity and Limbaugh. These news sources are money making machines that exploit the passions of people.

The good news, Driller, is that you and Harvey (if, in fact, you are different people, which I doubt) have a choice. You can continue to deny the verifiable facts that I have just laid out for you, and continue to support this purely evil Demokkkrat party, or you can join the side of truth, and work to dismantle the Demokkkrat party, and all of the hatred that it stands for.

You cannot imagine how wrong a Democrat reading your statement believes it is. It sounds like parody. If Trump's ascendancy does not prompt you to change party, maybe it is time for a little self examination.

Driller

Dansby I am not Harvey!! After reading your two post have you been drinking or not happy with either party?

hbdansby

Although I “hate’ to use the word “hate,” I do think it is true that tens of millions of Americans hate Republicans and particularly Trump. Here is why:

Mitch McConnell announced that it was the republican’s job to make sure that Obama was elected to only one term. He took this position at a time when the country faced The Great Recession, terrorism, large federal debt, declining middle class, the challenge of climate change.

Republicans voted to overturn Obamacare 60 times, and yet had no plan of their own.

Mitch McConnell refused to consider Obama’s nominee for Supreme Court justice, because he wanted to hold out for a judge that suited his party’s ideological preferences and to deprive the democrats of their preference. This is enough to start another civil war.

Mitch McConnell has inexplicably gone out of his way to pollute the judicial system with right wing judges. No person knowledgeable of the law wants one-sided freaks on the bench. This campaign on his part—a person that used to be a moderate or liberal—is inexplicable.

Trump engaged and continues to engage in low level politics, such as unprecedented name calling and lying. To be frank, he should be impeached for all of his misrepresentations and lying, as no rational governing can take place in such circumstances.

Republicans chose Trump, a vile and immoral business cheat, as their standard bearer. At the same time, they have to gaul to denigrate Obama, who ran a scandal free administration and made every effort to reach out to the republicans.

Republicans have ignored the most important problem of all time, the fact that 200 years of burning fossil fuels has changed our atmosphere such that the climate will threaten our modern standard of living. Trump pulled the United States out of the Paris agreement, denying climate change without any scientific basis for doing so. He is history’s biggest villain.

Trump has trounced the constitution in a way that is unique in American history. He has the mind and habit of a dictator, totally inimitable to all of us as Americans.

Republicans in and out of office have looked at the facts in the impeachment proceedings and willfully ignored them, much in the way that facts were ignored in the OJ Simpson trial, or in the way Republicans have ignored the facts in climate change. This is brutish.

Trump with the enthusiastic support of republicans in and out of office deregulated for the sake of deregulating. This only makes the business and natural environment less safe and in the long run hurts the economy.

Much as the republicans rebuked Hillary Clinton for reference to the “deplorables,” that is exactly how Trump (and republicans) have operated, exploiting the worst sides of human nature.

Trump (and republicans) have in broad daylight claimed he could bring back coal, in the face of cheap natural gas and the need to reduce greenhouse gases. The same as to energy efficient appliances, electric vehicles, fuel efficient vehicles, wind and solar.

Trump tries attacks the trade imbalance with China 30 years after the fact. He tries nuclear disarmament of North Korean with no real plan. There is no reason to think that he will succeed in these initiatives any more than he succeeded in any of his businesses.

So, what has Trump accomplished? Only NEGATIVE things, like deregulation, reducing taxes on the wealthy, delaying action on climate change and new energy systems. The only thing that is sustaining him is the good stock market, but what has he done to cause that? If credit for the stock market belongs to any politician, it would be Obama for pulling us out of the Great Recession.

prodigalson

You used a lot of ink there, Mr. Dansby, to attempt to spin away facts that aren’t spinnable. I posted cold hard facts about the evils of the Demokkkrat party that are easily verifiable as accurate. For verification, look no further than your current racist, baby killing Demokkkrat Governor, Ralph Coonman Northam. You voted for him, and you still support him, even though he is a proven Klansman, and openly supports murdering little babies, not just through the 9th month of pregnancy, but even after they are born. The Demokkkrats didn’t switch parties my friend, they only switched tactics. I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas.

hbdansby

prodigalson, I shared your post above with some visitors and they suggested I not respond because you sounded odd and therefore possibly dangerous.

prodigalson

Splendid Mr. Dansby. Please tell your friends that Jesus loves them, and wish them a Merry Christmas from me. 😀

DeftCurmudgeon

It's almost as if Coonman -wants- to foment violence...

bishopsboy

He’s using gun control as cover for his racism. Those black folks won’t pick cotton on the Coonman plantation if they own guns....

LVW

Moron labe: being an idiot, take.

bishopsboy

Dear LVW, I agree with your self assessment. It won’t be difficult to take your rights away when you won’t defend them.

Driller

prodigalson, I still wonder why you are not packing up to move, with all the evil Democrats, how could you possibly be a happy warrior? I don't think you wrote this post, I think your Lord and Royal Brother (What ever that is supposed to Mean) wrote it or all but wrote it for you. Your hypocrisy by calling 66 million (3 million more votes than Con Don Got) people without knowing them is astounding!! It still amazes me after we have debated this you still stick to that ignorant rant. I wouldn't even consider saying something like that about the 63 million AMERICANS that voted for Con Don. You accuse the Democrats for supporting Communism, YOU are the one doing Putin's work , by trying to divide the country. We may disagree politically, but I know All Republicans are NOT pure evil. You don't know me and yet you are calling me Pure Evil!! Here is why you are wrong- Communism During the past wars and now in the service of this country to fight against Communism, do you think only Republicans served? Why has your man Con Don not said anything bad about Putin. Even a story today, said Putin told Con Don the Ukrainians were the ones that interfered with the election, but what can you expect when Con Don takes Putin's word over his intelligence agencies. Abortion- Do you think Democratic women are the only ones that have abortions? I think a woman has the right to choose, she knows her situation a lot more than you or I do. I have yet to here where the Democrats have forcefully held a woman down and performed an abortion on her without her consent!! Is it better to bring them into the world and let them run the streets with no supervision, do drugs commit crimes. and be abused, and other mistreatments? Of coarse you say there is adoption, then why are there are so many orphanages, because some kids aren't adoptable. Illegal drugs- Again, do you think Democrats are the only ones using and promoting illegal drugs? If you do you better wake up. Ku Klux Klan- You keep bring up the Klan and how Democrats support the Klan. Tell me how - the Klan and other militias have been singled out as far right organizations. After Charlottesville, it wasn't the Democrats saying there were good people on both sides. You level all these accusations on one party but don't seem to see the same issues on the other side.(Too much Fox news and Bishopsboy) Let's look at your logic, on 911 what nationality of men flew the airplanes into the World Trade Center? The Saudis Who just killed and cut up an American journalist? The Saudis Now just because these men had a link to your ancestors and maybe you, does that make you a killer and therefore "Pure Evil" or an American hater, evidently only a hater of half the Americans. Don't tell me you don't hate, when you call someone "Pure Evil" and you don't know them that is "Pure Hate". As I have said before, keep on judging, but you are the one that is accountable for your actions and heart that you will have to explain to God. Tell me how a Christian, that you claim to be, have so much hate in their heart and still live in that country?

prodigalson

Thank you, Harvey, for your kind words, and I wish you a very happy winter sparkle season.

Driller

Prodigalson Why is there no response from you on your ignorant post that Democrats are pure evil. You are showing why I call you a cheerleader, you can't can't rebut anything I wrote in my response to you, but then again maybe bishopsboy didn't have time to write anything for you. You keep calling me Harvey, seems that you are obsessed with Harvey, I'm sure if you called him up he would talk to you. Again, as I have said when you and bisopsboy have no answer you deflect or name call or just quit trying to defend. You claim you are from Saudi Arabia, since the Democrats are so evil, why don't you defend why people from Saudi and not pure evil. I'm sure that you have had contact with those evil Democrats in your living here, how do you live thru it? If you and bishopsboy truly believe Democrats are "Pure Evil" how do you call yourself Christians? As I say, if you two actually believe this I feel very sad for both of you and will pray for you. People wonder why Christianity is on the decrease, your belief is one reason why. People don't like hypocrites especially ones that claim they are Christians.

prodigalson

Good afternoon Driller, the reason that I call you Harvey is that I’m convinced that you and he are the same person, much as Harvey (or should I say you) is convinced that Mufalme Bishopsboy (my Royal Brother and hero) and I are the same person. I’ve found that usually, Demokkkrats accuse others of the very things that they, themselves, are guilty of, and so I am quite convinced that you and Harvey are the same person. Now, once again, let me explain to you my stance on the Demokkkrat party. The Demokkkrat party stands for the following: slavery, racism, the Ku Klux Klan, murdering babies while inside and outside of their mothers’ wombs. The Demokkkrat party advocates for stealing resources from one group of people in order to bribe other groups of people in exchange for their votes. The Demokkkrat party advocates for illegal immigration, class envy, and keeping entire groups of people in perpetual bondage through government dependency. And lastly, the Demokkkrat party persecutes Christians. There is a lot more evil that the Demokkkrat party promotes, but these are just the things that quickly came to mind. In summary Harvey, all of these things are evil, and the Demokkkrat party stands for all of these things. I hope this clears up any questions that you have. Have a very Merry Christmas my brother!

bishopsboy

Dearest Driller, no one can have too much Fox News or bishopsboy!

prodigalson

Amen to that, my royal brother. As you know, I love Fox News, and you are my hero. If I had known about you, I would have moved here from Saudi Arabia years ago.

DeftCurmudgeon

TLDNR

Mike Muterspaugh

R b-Been as busy as a one-armed paper hanger today and Dansby has required some time. As far as tutoring for our resident liberals-so much work and too little time. I had forgotten about "hoplophobia". I have one of Jeff Cooper's books at home and haven't read it in years. I admit I didn't know what xylophobia meant and laughed my you know what off when I searched it. Thanks for the information.

Diana

So please explain how D, Cheney shot Harry Whittington. Did he mistake Harry for a quail? Im sure Harry thought he was safe. ..Asking for a friend..

prodigalson

Anyone who has ever bird hunted with a shotgun can easily see how that could happen. Birds fly in unpredictable ways, and when hunters are hunting in a group, everyone needs to be aware of where other hunters, dogs, etc. are as they swing their shotguns to track birds. In the case of Cheney accidentally shooting his friend, he was likely tracking a bird with his shotgun, lost track of where his friend was, the bird flew in the direction, and Cheney swung his shotgun in that direction and fired. Please keep in mind, this is pure speculation on my part. I've never heard the story on exactly what happened in this instance. I'm simply using my experience with bird hunting, coupled with deductive reasoning.

Driller

prodigalson No, anyone who has ever hunted can't see how that happened. Don't you remember what your NRA safety class told you, to know exactly where and what you are shooting at.Your explanation is a normal Republican answer. It's never a Republicans fault, its always someone else's fault. Cheney messed up so now it is the BIRDS fault that Cheney shot this guy. What is the matter with you? Have you ever hunted? Maybe since the dogs are trained, the hunters could train the birds to jump in their hunting bags. Thank you for giving me a good laugh at Christmas time.

prodigalson

Actually Driller, I was not at all trying to say that it was not Cheney’s fault. I said that I can see how it could happen, and speculated on how it probably happened. The accident was most definitely Cheney’s fault as he was the one who pulled the trigger. The person holding the gun is ALWAYS responsible for what happens when they pull the trigger. A shooter should ALWAYS know what is behind or near the target at which they are shooting, Dick Cheney included.

hbdansby

I have never understood how one can shoot a gun without the real possibility that someone will be hit by the bullet. This would seem to be the case even if one shot it in the woods. The only exception I can think of would be shotguns using number 8 shot or something along those lines.

Mike Muterspaugh

I have never understood how anyone could post such an inane comment.

hbdansby

Not all questions are smart. What is the answer? The woods are full of people. How can anyone feel safe?

Mike Muterspaugh

I think Dansby, you and those of your ilk, consider Purcell Park a wilderness. Two weeks ago I spent 10 days in the woods in WV. I roamed the woods for 4 days before the season came in. Then my son and I walked into the woods every day for 6 days, going to different parts each morning and afternoon and did not see one other living soul. Maybe you "think" you "see" other people Dansby. There are professionals that can help. And if you don't feel safe in the "woods" just stay behind one of your solar cells. Kinda like a bunker. And you are absolutely correct, not all questions are smart.

R B Tate

Mike, It looks as though you have some difficult tasks ahead of you. First, tutoring on the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights, and now counseling those suffering from a combination of hopolophobia and xylophobia.

LVW

If you don't want to be hit by a stray bullet, the woods are the best place to be. If you do want to be hit by a stray bullet, hang out on a front stoop in a gang-infested area and wait. But in either case, the odds of getting hit by a stray bullet are negligible.

Whalebroc

Seems to be a pattern with some people......”The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!”

“Global warming , global warming!!”

“Stray Bullet, Stray bullet!!”

hbdansby

Right. It is obvious that the source on rifle ranges online was referring to maximum, using the optimum ballistic angle. Unfortunately, the source did not say that and even implied it was at a shooting angle. The difference between me and Muterspaugh is that I could do the ballistic calculations if I had to. He can only refer to tables.

brokenanvil

If you keep this up, Mr Dansby, you may find yourself developing a new hobby; shooting sports!

Diana

I've often thought the same thing when I see someone calling other posters on here ignorant. They don't know how ignorant it makes them look...but carry on..

bishopsboy

Dearest Diana, are you saying you look ignorant for referring to prodigalson and me as Beavis and Butthead? Just checking the hypocrisy meter....

Diana

bishopsboy, I wasn't addressing you at all with my comment, you never even crossed my mind. It was in reference to Mr Muterspaughs inane comment. But if the shoe fits, wear it. And you better check your own hypocrisy meter...hmmm..you aren't exactly innocent either...Barney Fife ring a bell? As I recall. you owned to being Beavis. So, you might want to look again as to who is looking ignorant. Have a good day bishopsboy...Stay warm!

bishopsboy

Oh, dearest Diana, I don't need a hypocrisy meter as I have never portrayed myself as being anything other than the lowliest of wretches, but I'm glad you think otherwise. Have a Merry Christmas!

prodigalson

Actually Diana, Mufalme Bishopsboy, my royal brother, owned up to being Butthead, not Beavis. Butthead was the smart one. As I recall, I'm supposed to be Beavis. Huhuhu, huhuhu, hu.

brokenanvil

There are “woods” and then there are woods. As a teen I enjoyed hunting squirrels with my .22 (caliber) rifle and on one occasion I recall considering the likelihood that my bullet might travel past my intended target to hit an unintended object. I pondered that situation while waiting for my unfortunate (but tasty with gravy) quarry to make an appearance. Although Math was never my strong subject, I considered the spacing of the forest’s trees, factored in distance and diminishing velocity/energy etc. finally deciding the likelihood was small. Given my location at the time, I’m betting a mathematician would have essentially agreed. Of course, I was hunting where it was safe to do so, e.g. not in city or suburban “woods” nor wherever it might be unwise to do so.

moondoggie1951

Now you never know when you might shoot someone that is up in a tree playing with a squirrel. LOL

hbdansby

I did a little research and it does appear that hunting accidents from gunshots are fairly rare. I would have thought that population increase, encroachment on hunting areas (the world is full of subdivisions and other developments) and the fact that, say, a 30.06 will travel 3 miles even if shot on the level, would make it high risk. Imagine: when you shoot, that bullet can go for miles.

Mike Muterspaugh

It just amazes me that you are so willing to display your ignorance for everyone to see. A 30-06, if held level will drop 31.25 feet at a 1ooo yds. You would have to be standing on the Empires State building holding it level to achieve 3 miles. The only way that you can get the distances you quote is to elevate the muzzle 35%. And that is not level Dansby. And at 2000 yds the energy of the 30-06 has dropped below that of a handgun. Please Dansby, I'm trying to run a business and I don't have time for stupidity.

DW222

”and the fact that, say, a 30.06 will travel 3 miles even if shot on the level”

This one here is nuttier than squirrel tic-tacs.

hbdansby

This discussion of the range of rifles started with my making an inadequately informed comment on range. As I said, the otherwise excellent article I quickly found failed to say that its table of ranges was for optimum trajectories, that is, aimed up above horizontal. Deriving that optimum angle is a standard problem in physics textbooks. Of course, my errant comment elicited all of the irascible comments typical of online blogs, and in particular this one. To be contrarian and extreme is generally more fun than being reasonable.

Range is a function of many factors, such as the bullet speed generated by the particular rifle, the drag coefficient of the bullet's particular profile, and the angle of launch. Of course, you have to add elevation (air is thinner in Colorado than Florida), air temperature (cold air is heavier than hot air), and even barometric and moisture content of the air. Also, how long will the bullet maintain its gyroscopic spin before it degenerates into a tumble. An actual calculation would have to use integral calculus, since the air resistance is non-linear, varying with the cube of the bullet's velocity. In other words, as the air resistance slows the bullet down, the rate of slowing decreases dramatically. If the bullet is fired on the level, one can imagine in the case of a powerful gun that the bullet would hit the ground long before it lost its high speed, since bullets from any gun fired on the level would hit the ground in the same duration, namely, the length of time it takes for any object to fall from the shoulder height (barrel level) of the shooter to the ground.

prodigalson

Mr. Dansby, with all due respect, that's just about the dumbest post I've ever seen you make. Perhaps you and Harvey should enroll in a hunters' safety course together so that you can educate yourselves to the point that you won't make such embarrassing comments. After the course, perhaps you could share a nice veggie burger at the Little Grill so that you can save the world from global warming.

hbdansby

There is something wrong with policy when over twenty first graders at Sandy Hook are not only gunned down, but also decimated with military style bullets. What is the solution? Sandy Hook has the earmarks of an unpardonable sin.

Donald

I made no mention of “workers”, Mr. LVW, however you are correct about the predators. While the majority of crime in a community comprised of illegal aliens is perpetrated by illegal aliens within that community, it is also preyed upon by others who may be here legally or are US citizens. By extension it should be noted that illegal alien predators do not restrict themselves to preying on other illegal aliens – they also prey on US citizens. Turn them over to immigration officers for immediate deportation.

As to your second sentence, I am confused as to what you are asking. My apologies.

P.s Does anyone know why some posts do not allow an “add reply”?

P.P.s My apology to Mr. Muterspaugh for going off topic.

LVW

This program only allows a certain number of nested replies. Otherwise, threads spin out of control even worse than usual.

Most undocumented workers, like most gun owners, aren't predators.

Donald

Thanks for the info concerning replies, Mr. LVW. Please remember that it was not me that brought up the argument concerning criminality and the reporting of it as a reason for illegal alien “sanctuary”. And you are obviously correct in stating that most illegal aliens are not predators.

Now, as to Mr. Muterspaugh’s comment concerning the second amendment, he alludes to ultimate authority residing in the People – not the courts. There is historic precedent for this view. It is seen in the Mayflower Compact when, under extraordinary circumstances, the compact was not agreed to and sighed by a few “leaders”, but rather by every male of the soon to be colony.

Mike Muterspaugh

No apology necessary Donald. Always enjoy your succinct and thoughtful commentary. Helps take the pressure off me. Give LVW no quarter.[wink]

sbsheridan

What evidence do you have that "the majority of crime in a community comprised of illegal aliens is perpetrated by illegal aliens within that community"? The is the MSU method of supporting an argument: Make Stuff Up.

DW222

Very well said and dead on.

sbsheridan

Mr. Muterspaugh is being dishonest in his criticism of Andy Schmookler’s objections to Second Amendment Sanctuary. More than twenty gun-control bills have now been proposed, each with its own provisions. Therefore, the exact bill to be adopted is not known at this time. Even if a bill were passed, court proceedings could begin with a stay in the implementation of the bill; residents would not suffer any years-long denial of rights. Finally, the suggestion that we would still be part of Britain if we had turned to the courts instead of rebellion when that country tried to disarm colonists is complete fantasy. Britain had no constitution, no second amendment, and its court system was not comparable to modern US courts. One more thing. I find Ken Huntley’s congratulations to Muterspaugh highly objectionable. To say “I wanted to blast him [Schmookler] myself” in a discussion of gun control can have a dangerous meaning. I hope this is not what Huntley intended, and I wish the DNR would edit for such things.

brokenanvil

I suspect the wordsmiths at the DNR recognized that, within the context of the comment, the author's meaning was "a violent verbal outpouring".

LVW

I agree.

Mike Muterspaugh

Ah, Ms. Sheridan, now you’ve gone and hurt my feelings. For a person that could not tell the difference between a firearm and a piece of cord wood you blather incessantly about the 2nd Amendment, the NRA and all things gun related ad nauseum. I did not say that Senate Bill 16 is the only bill the power drunk Democrats are proposing, but it is one of the main bills. Since you seem to have unlimited time to blothiate, why don’t you do in-depth comparison and enlighten us to the differences?

And may I remind you that our court system is based on British Common Law. These "common law systems" are legal systems that give great weight to judicial precedent, and to the style of reasoning inherited from the ENGLISH legal system; our systems, then and now, mirror each other. And, the British had a Bill of Rights signed into law in 1689 and was the inspiration for OUR Bill of Rights. So once again you are wrong Ms. Sheridan. It would seem that you are the one that has “fantasies”. And you have no way of proving how long it would take to fight these oppressive bills and how long our rights would be trampled. It is only your opinion base on nothing. “Dishonest?” Indeed.

sbsheridan

How honored I am to have you as my personal tutor! I am not the gun neophyte you make me out to be; there have been guns in my household for many years. And I am aware that our legal system is based on British common law. I was not aware, however, of the English Bill of Rights, and will look into that more carefully. I am reasonably sure, however, that eighteenth century court systems in Britain and the British colonies were not as intricate as that in the modern US, if for no other reason than they would have accumulated 300 fewer years of precedent. That is the comparison I was making.

Mike Muterspaugh

"your personal tutor"-It's a dirty and thankless job Ms Sheridan but someone has to do it.

James Poplar

It is very disconcerting when we have members of the VA Assembly are already calling for the VA National Guard to enforce these laws before they are even passed -- so much for a "stay" in the implementation of theses bills. Gun confiscation and other gun control measures have been part of Northam’s agenda, but took on increased importance after a picture of two men, one in blackface and the other in KKK robes, was uncovered on Northam’s page in a medical school yearbook. In his first major public appearance after the scandal broke, Northam called for a special session of the legislature in order to reconsider his gun control package, following the recent strategy used by prominent liberals of pivoting to gun control after brushes with controversy. Democrats have a strong incentive, in the form of millions in dark money, to implement new gun control laws. In each of the last three election cycles, Everytown for Gun Safety—backed by billionaire Michael Bloomberg—and other gun control groups have spent large sums of money backing Democrats. Everytown spent $2.5 million to help push Democrats into the majority in Virginia, while the National Rifle Association spent just $300,000 supporting Republicans, according to CNBC.That being said I do agree with you RE the comment provided by Mr. Huntley -- out of bounds and uncalled for.

Mike Muterspaugh

I was with you Mr. Poplar until you last sentence. I believe brokenanvil clarifies Mr. Huntley's intended usage of the word. I, and I'm sure others, have used "blast" in the same context many times-a violent verbal outpouring.

James Poplar

Mike -- I concur with you and Mr. Huntley per the clarification. Bottom line -- Progressives are out to usurp our Second Amendment rights anyway possible -- by legislation or force -- there is no compromise with them nor should we compromise. The analogy of the frog in the pot of water where the temperature is slowly turned up quickly comes to mind ...we have seen this scenario unfold before in Germany and the Soviet Union and other socialist states.

sbsheridan

I have been researching large donations to recent General Assembly candidates. The Wverytown money must have been very dark, since most republicans in the Valley spent 5 to 10 times as much as their democratic candidates. I did find a $50,000 donation from the NRA to Chris Runion and another for $70,000 from the National Shooting and Sports Foundation to Todd Gilbert. Perhaps the dark money only went to those devils in Northern Virginia.

moondoggie1951

You Sir are a Typical Democrat since you find hidden meaning in the smallest of comments.

moondoggie1951

Sorry Ms

LVW

What's the long-term plan here? What is the practical implication of this "2nd amendment sanctuary" vote?

For the immigration sanctuary places, the upshot has been that the local police don't do ICE's work for them, i.e., they don't look to bust undocumented workers unless they break some other law. (And they give a compelling reason for this.) But in the gun sanctuary case, it seems like the upshot will be that local authorities won't enforce a law that they are supposed to enforce. Is that true? Because if it is, this seems like an uncomfortable precedent to set.

DeftCurmudgeon

It's primarily a means of sending a message to Coonman and his confiscation corps.

sbsheridan

I suspect others assume there is a much more serious purpose afoot.

brokenanvil

Practical implication? Probably anyone's guess at this point, but I can imagine some law enforcement authorities would have Constitutional issues with seizing firearms and related accessories that were previously lawful to own and use in a legal manner.

There's the ethical/moral issue as well, of depriving or impairing an individual's natural right to self-defense.

Donald

Mr. LVW, I am not a lawyer nor have I ever played one on TV, so I will simply give a layman’s opinion as to the difference between the two.

Providing sanctuary for illegal aliens by ceasing to cooperate with federal law enforcement officers and actively assisting the illegal aliens in avoiding deportation shows a desire to support the interests of illegal aliens over the interests of US citizens and aids in the ongoing destruction of our social fabric. Its goal is to actively alter and diminish America’s cultural heritage through the importation of cultures alien to ours.

The 2nd amendment sanctuary resolution is largely a symbolic message supporting a right that is deeply embedded in our heritage. The former is meant to destroy. The latter is meant to preserve.

LVW

Donald: No, that is the goal you keep saying that liberals have. The argument for local law enforcement not doing ICE's bidding is that it would result in certain segments of the population avoiding calling local police, ever, for fear of deportation. Your last 2 sentences are melodramatic.

Donald

Actually, Mr. LVW, “liberal” is a word I rarely if ever use simply because what I would refer to as old school liberalism long ago ceased to have any influence on what we call the Left (having been replaced with the hate-filled race-hustling Marxian minded ideology of multiculturalism) – much as Old Right paleo-conservatism once held sway over what we call the Right before being swept away by neo-conservatism and it’s anti-American propositional nation drivel.

As to the argument you mention, as memory serves, that was a policy telling police departments not to enquire into a person’s legal status for being in this country, the goal being to encourage illegal aliens to report criminal behavior. The sanctuary thingie goes well beyond that. But, let’s follow the logic of that argument: to encourage residents of an illegal alien community, which should not be here in the first place, cops are told not to enquire into a crime-reporting complainant’s immigrant status to better protect that illegal alien community from being preyed upon by their fellow illegal aliens, who are then arrested, but rather than turn them over to immigration officers for deportation they are released back into the illegal alien community so that they can continue to prey upon that community. This does not sound like good policy.

p.s. I stand by my previous “melodramatic” sentences.

[cool]

LVW

Donald: What makes you think undocumented workers are only "preyed upon" by other undocumented workers? And I don't have time to craft an analogous paragraph for a 2nd amendment sanctuary, except "which part of 'illegal' do you not understand? " [smile] The job of the judicial branch is to determine who is breaking the law in each case.

DeftCurmudgeon

Molon Labe indeed - and let it be noted that Coonman Northam didn't make much of the sanctuary county movement until 4 thousand patriots showed up at Spotswood H.S.

kenhuntley1

Well said Mike. I wanted to blast him myself but couldn't calm down enough to write the letter. I would have said a lot of #*@#*.

R B Tate

Excellent Mike! I don't recall ever reading a better open forum letter in this newspaper.

Molon labe, Deo vindice, Sic semper tyrannis. Have a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

prodigalson

Excellent letter Mike! Schmookler and his ilk had hoped that Virginia's Klansman, baby killing governor could ram through the Demokkkrats' gun grabbing legislation without anyone taking notice. They thought wrong.

moondoggie1951

How Do you spell Democrat S T U P I D

prodigalson

Well moondoggie, I spell Demokkkrat E V I L.

Driller

prodigalson, You keep claiming Democrats are evil, with all this evil around you, how do you stand to live here? You told me you are of Saudi descent, if there is so much evil here, I would think you would be so much safer there, but I'll remind you, better not talk nasty about the Saudi leadership. They have knives and very sharp bone saws. Now spell evil.

prodigalson

Thank you for your kind words Driller. I'm not sure why you keep implying that you think I'm ready to pack up and leave the country. I thoroughly my life here, and actually enjoy the prospect of fighting evil (a happy warrior, if you will). It is for this reason that I speak truth about the Demokkkrat party. The Demokkkrat party is the party of Socialism, Communism, Racism, Eugenics, Murdering little babies both inside, and outside of their mothers' wombs. They are the party of class warfare, illegal drugs, illegal immigration, voter fraud, racism, and the Ku Klux Klan. When you and Harvey vote for Demokkkrats, Driller, just know that you are voting for all of these things. Thank you again for your response. I enjoy our robust exchange of ideas. Have a very Merry Christmas!

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